Why are there so many conflict/aggression orientated games out there....? and where are all the female coders...?

I wonder all the HOT female coders are myself, i wish i can find one so i can marry one

PS : PM if your a female coder

Because there are..

People make games they find to be fun themselves. Since the majority of people around here are boys (not that I'm stereotyping...) these "fun" games involve conflict and aggression, mostly in the form of shooting stuff. Plus, those kind of games are easier to make.

As for where all the girl coders are, they are around, but many choose to hide the fact they are girls so as not to trigger responses such as masterm's above.

Lol. Ask this to Nintendo, Sony, EA, any game company.

That's the programing world right now. Full or repetitive shooters and men.

That's just freaky. It's people like you who are the reason there the ratio of female to male programmers is so small (at least on these forums).

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Many games are conflict oriented because conflict is a great game play mechanic to work from. Conflict has also been done a lot, so people feel safer. Taking a chance with a new idea is risky. There are many females who use Game Maker, most here are currently hiding from masterm.

Why do I forsee this topic becoming a problem. I could be wrong, but I'm not sure the GMC is mature enough to answer a question like "why aren't there many female users?"

And yeah, masterm, a desperate comment like that just lost you a bunch of Joe Cool points.

I don't see many games without conflicts, made by either sex, besides games like "Sim City".
Even then, conflicts appear that you created.

(I'd stay hidden too, if I had to put up with the countless perverts only the internet's anonymity could conjure.)

I guess not very many girls like programming. Just like how not many guys like ballet. It doesn't matter anyway since we are all behind screens and can't see each other.




So true



Simply because they are the funnest. If you don't like these types of games, I suggest you play puzzle, sports or simulation games. These games generally do not have much violence.

I assume that by conflict/aggression, you mean things like explosions, violence, intense moments, etc.

First of all, I don't think this is a matter of male vs. female. What, females don't like action? Get real, just because it isn't supported by a stereotype doesn't mean that it isn't true.

Secondly, I don't think it's as big of a problem as it seems. I'm assuming you mean GM games (after all, this is the GMC), and on that level, there aren't as many agressive games as you would think. It seems like mainstream games have influenced your view on the matter, since it's not too prevalent. Look at some of the most played games on Yoyo: Coaster Rider, Bridging the Gap, Sonic Zone, Mario Kart 64, all of which have basically no violence. Then look at some of the most played games involving any violence: Karoshi (I'd hardly call it an aggressive game, even though it has a little bit of cheesy violence), Super Mario Bros: Kingdom Troubles (good luck passing Mario off as a violent game), Caveman Craig (not very violent, it's all about strategy)- none of them are very aggressive.

Thirdly, I think the reason is because it works. Games have already tried pretty much everything, and the one area that has always proved to be loved the most by the most people is action. Sure, there are those games that satisfy other genres, but people have fun with action in general. It seems a bit counterintuitive to me for people to complain about the large presence of action in games when it is what they crave the most. For those few that find aggressive games to be boring or off-putting, there's still plenty of other games to choose from.

Demographic? Are you sure you do not mean "Demonstration Graphics", as in the graphics used for a playable demo of a game?*

In any case, I find that "conflict", when regarding living creatures and blood, typically implies immaturity on the developer's part. "oh hey there's blood in my game, I'm too immature to realize that blood is inside of everyone and thus I will put it in my game lol"; Clearly you must be mature to not feature blood. Or must you be...? Dun dun dun...

All men are perverts.**



http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aggression
"In psychology, as well as other social and behavioral sciences, aggression refers to behavior between members of the same species that is intended to cause pain or harm."

... Are there games that fit this description at all?***


(*He could also mean demolition graphics. Explosions are great, if they're caused by Robots!)
(**This is a fact and cannot be debated.)
(***Ignoring the Virtual Boy system!)

I think its more a phycological thing. All games are simply put, a way to do things you wouldnt normally do. They allow you to become anything and do all kinds of crazy stuff. So why do people like violent games? Because many people arent that violent in real life. It gives you the chance to get out some aggression. When was the last time you heard your friends talking about ACTUALLY sniping two guys at once and how awesome it was? Never would my my guess. Since you cant kill people in real life (hopefully not), you get the chance to in a violent game.

As for girls that do programming, I dont think girls wouldnt like making games, just that very few would want to blemmish theyre reputation with such a, dare I say, nerdy, activity.

I took a computer programing class in high school last year where we used game maker, and there were some girls in the class, but I never inquired as to what drew them to take the class.

All I remember was this one chick that had the biggest most perfect... Well suffice it to say

Maybe because they enjoyed programming?

In a videogame, you could blow off someone's head with a shotgun and the cops and maybe FBI wouldn't come after you. Maybe some aliens, zombies, or even dark elves would come after you. But if they caught/killed you, your life wouldnt be over, and the very most you would probably do is have a tamper tantrum.

heres how it all comes together:
guys like to make games, guys are naturally aggressive, every game needs a story and some form of interaction, every story needs a conflict, every interaction needs to be external(cant be something you should "look into yourself" for), hence every game needs a story with an aggressive conflict

barely half of the girls in the world like video games, and barely half of those have even thought of designing them


cept for that kid who killed himself for the insults he got on halo 3

Your sources for that information are?

my guesstimate census, remember im not talking about a major country here bud, im talkin the world:

if the world were a village of 100 people
you can do the math

80 live in substandard housing(in other words, a crappy house)
73 have access to electricity
49 are female
33 can read
7 would have access to internet(in other reports they use a computer)

i think its fair to say that "maybe 1/4th of females in the world have thought about making video games" is almost an overstatement

Yes, because it totally makes sense to have the total include people who don't have access to a computer. Likewise, the same argument stands that, when using the world as the total number of people considered, 1/4th of males in the world have thought about making video games is an overstatement.

How can you know which have considered developing or not?

LOL this thread is just retarded. I love how guys speculate not only on what to make for the chicks but how they think and act as to games.

On casual gamers:



Source

Especially to Explicit- there goes your theory. You are talking worldwide.. you realize some countries that that data includes women aren't allowed to GET jobs?

If I'm gonna generalize women, they prefer puzzle games, casual games, MMO's (anything with a social interaction element) or story based (adventure)

I completed a game-based post-sec program and I can tell you that there was anywhere from 0-20% females in each class while I was there. Of almost all of them, 90% were very good coders. The reason why there isn't more women in games/forums/threads like this? I won't say it's men's fault, but it can be a hard thing to get into. While in class there was more than a couple times one of my male classmates laughed at some process I was using as in 'if you aren't doing it this way you're a moron and you shouldn't be here' as well as the types of games girls want to create may not be accepted by guys because there might be less action or whatever. I know from a lot of my girl friends who play games they take rude comments to heart and get easily dismayed when they're told they can't do something. Well I can tell you all the chicks in my program are all hired now since they were all top of their classes :>

It would help to just ask a girl or research this before making assumptions ~_~

doesnt mean i was wrong

and I'm saying I never said you were wrong. General statistics can't always be crammed into a specific situation.

Just like I don't know what the game industry is like in (insert anywhere but North America) so I don't try to guess how many of their women are planning to go into game development :B

Female coders are out there. In fact, I'm sure at least two of the forum staff are female.
The reason there are so many aggressive games out there is that 'zombiiez!!11', 'stick war battles teh pwnz0r!', 'halo clone ftw!!', appear in peoples' mind alot, so there are many games that involve some sort of blood or violence.
The majority of the male users on this forum are attracted to these war genres, and most users on this forum are male; hence, the aggressive games.

Social conditioning makes males more interested in both shooting stuff and nerdy computer programming type things.

**** you society! **** YOU!

I would agree that "social conditioning" plays a role in male activities, but our hormones and brain structure also play a part.

I remember when I was back in high school, we had a girl in our java programming class because she thought it was about coffee making. She failed it, hard.

I'm male and i don't much care for action/adventure games. I always preferred simulation games. But then again i haven't really played that many video games aside from Simcity and Motocross Madness...

rofl XD why didnt she just quit the class when she found out? lol