QUOTE (KC LC @ Sep 27 2009, 04:29 PM)

QUOTE (Rijnders)
Why only VMBO, HAVO and VWO? I'm on a MBO and i find it a shame i cannot participate in something usefull and educational as this.
Don't MBO programs come
after secondary school? And this challenge is limited to secondary school students.
Besides, if the goal is to encourage more students to enter computer science (like Mark said), they'd want to focus on those paths that are more likely to lead to university. That's my guess anyway.
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It would clearly give VWO students a big advantage over others since making games involves alot of math.
Maybe, depending on their game design. But it's certainly not an
unfair advantage. If someone chooses to learn more math, you can't fault them for using it.
I know from experience that it is nearly impossible to find a teacher that knows anything about game development and design on secondary. All they will be able to do is see if the students reached milestones and did what they where supposed to without actually being able to give support.
It would also give the whole computer science a better or atleast different look, since you interact and learn from someone who is already in it.
I also find it very hard to believe that any random student from secondary will just decide to make a game for a competition with a program they don't know anything about without having that support they need, even when they are interested.
The three years of ICT i had in secondary i had come across gamemaker 2 or 3 times wich i had to make happen myself by talking to the teachers.
It was horrible, every single time. The teachers simply did not know what they where doing.
For starters, they had a manual on gamemaker basics blantantly ripped from the internet, not even edited ( it even had major spelling mistakes ).
Everytime a student had a question regarding gamemaker they couldn't answer it, they simply had to start learning how to make games themselves too.
Luckily for all the students in the class i knew how to work with the program but i quickly became the 'teacher' and i had to answer everybodies questions and help them out. I didn't complain because it was actually fun and i learned things from it but it took up all the time i had for my project and i had to do it at home, the teachers even asked me to help them out. Go figure.
I just don't see any random student pick it up without having a coach (in this case a teacher) being able to provide support.
Secondary school just don't give students who are interested in computer related things a proper taste of what creating games would be like or they do it completely wrong and might even steer students away from it.
To me it would just be so much more educational, progressive and most important fun to have a person who is already into and interested in making games coach a team or participate in one to help the others out and make everything move smoothly and give a much better impression.
Why all this? I feel excluded from undergoing something educational and to help secondary school students make the decision.