So would I still get viruses from the gmc or no!? Plz tell me, I'm getting desperate to know...
If there is any, PWN THEM!!! >:)

As far as I know of I don't believe we can pick up any viruses from the GMC again, the patches have been installed so hopefully we shouldn't see another 1 soon.

Maybe read the topic a little then make an educated guess.

That's right. Chronic has removed the IFrames, and Norton isn't showing up anymore. There's no chance on getting another virus from the board.

Because otherwise people keeps on posting.

Well nothing is ever fully secure, another virus may pop up, but hopefully not too soon.

It is one way to make sure the ones that left and didn't return like most who complained about getting viruses. I mean they get a warning about it then came on in then complain about getting something. This way the ones that was smart and that didn't have good AV protection stayed away so when they return they can see this but still I think all the people posting it will be puzzling to them to say the least. But hopefully they can weed trough all this and know the threat is gone.

The Threat is Gone

Yes, especially since there wasn't one to begin with!

that wasn't a true virus. just a data error

Well, first off I'd like to say I appreciate the staff's quick resolving of the issue.

However...

I've spent nearly all my free time the last 4 days trying to dig out all the crap that was downloaded onto my pc (including an extremely annoying trojan called Antivirus XP 2008). I sincerely hope the staff will take a lesson from this and take steps in the future to keep their customers (I did buy their software after all) out of harms way, including keeping up with all the most current software patches on the forums, the blog, and the site. It really isn't difficult for the team to patch the site on a regular basis, and I hope that they keep up with this in the future to help deter this problem from happening again.

I'm not blaming the staff, but I am rather miffed they didn't do more.

No, you didn't. We are not paid, we are volunteers. You did not pay for this forum, you paid for the use of pro features in GM.



What more could we have done?

I thought the staff acted as quickly as possible - they don't live on these forums.

The patch that fixed the IPB vulnerability was released September 4th, The forums were exploited on September 7.

This means there were only 2 business days, actually less if you take the UK time difference into account, for YYGs to become aware of the need of a patch and apply it.

It would be nice if IT support people could apply patches for their OSes, Webservers, Web Services and all publicly exposed components. But that would involve shifting a large amount of technical peoples responsibility to just following the exploit sites. This involves reading volumes of information regularly. Daily, if they are to meet your unrealistic deadlines.

Companies, especially small companies with limited IT, staff simply can't justify devoting large amount of budget and IT staff to constant exploit surveillance.

You don't know anything about security, nor the budgetary concerns that are impacted by it.

ya, why do all those programs try to say they are removing viruses? Antivirus XP 2008 is a virus by it'self!!!!! Firefox acts like a firewall and everything, so why do we need to download a virus like Antivirus?

Adding to NPT's, everyone entering here was warned.

This topic was kept top of the list nearly all of the time, plus several services including Chrome and Firefox warned users not to enter sites.

Certain users on the other hand were intent on removing the warnings to (superficially) "fix" the problem.

I don't see how YYG could be kept resposable for this. As probably you all know, all of them have their own private life, rather then being your own personal slaves as some people seem to think.

It is your problem if you get infected, you are the user. Do you think you'll stay in this closed playground for ever? Learn to browse and learn the working part of the internet rather then the rubbish people themselves invent!

Moreover, you are accusing them of not fixing their own servce being offered for free. You can't get more arrogant then that.

Do not try to read between the lines, there is nothing there: @NPT: what makes you such an expert?

One does not have to be an expert to see that someone else is not.

Not to mention that he actually explained his reasoning entirely. You might as well be asking what makes your math teacher such an expert when they teach you something. They have knowledge and experience in the field.

The question was more pointed to NPT (hence the '@NPT')
And the answer i was looking for wasn't philosophy, its actually pretty strait forward.

An expert? Most of what he said just seemed like common sense to me.

But I guess if we don't agree with his points we need to attack his character somehow, right?

The questions simple. I am not attacking character in any way. I just want to know, i have observed that NPT rules quite a few points invalid with 'expert' knowledge in the field. I would simply like to know why that is.

Because most points are irrational or illogical. It doesn't usually take an expert to invalidate those.

Why are you trying to make my question invalid by using big words that you don't really need to use?

Infact why does anyone else care that i asked it!?

I'm not. I answered your question. My words were not big. If you think otherwise, perhaps you should point out exactly which words were "big" and what they could be replaced with since you also claim that they are unnecessary.

Are you looking for an argument.

I asked NPT a simple question, you didnt answer it, you tried to tell me why i shouldnt ask it.
It doesnt matter what words you were using, its just that you are using big words to miss the point.

But it doesnt really matter, if you are looking for an argument you can find someone else, i didnt come to the gmc to argue with mods.

I'll argue with someone if anyone else is really in the mood. I'm kind of bored right now so yea....
BTW, I think DarkFlame was trying to ask NPT how he knew so much about the attack, the solution, and basic web sevrvice operations, all that it not really common knowlege. But feel free to argue

I usually would, but im not in the mood, sorry.



Pretty much, except im curious as to what he did/does which helped him learn this knowledge.

A web developer knows his field.
But someone interested in security knows this field even more with it's bottlenecks and quirks.

I am quite sure NPT has a lot of interest and experience in both fields, but I also suspect he's got some good experience of marketing.

But, experience alone is nothing. As the mods already said here, he uses his common sense.
If people did that a very tiny little bit, I assure you everyone could be termed "expert" by that time.

But as some say, it is weird how common sense is not so common .

Edit: On a second thought, I think I know why they sort of attacked you back. You have to see how you word your sentence otherwise it looked almost like an insult.
Of course, from a normal perspective, that would not be. But people here are quite vehement, and the mods are more then prepared to fight back (of course in a civilized manner).

On the other hand, I don't think your question should be openly discussed and especially because it is beyond the point of this topic.
Next time, ask the member (NPT) directly through a PM.
(wow saying that feels like some mod )

Simple clarity.

Someone gets the point at least.

Hmm, will you be my challenger then uuf? But I agree with most of your post so I will just have to argue with your 3rd paragraph.
Tell me now, what about NPT's post-in-question was common sense? Besides 7 minus 4 minus one weekend day equals 2.
I'm sure that we probably could't be getting more off topic than this, but like others have said there really is no topic at the moment,
and like I said, I'm bored so entertain me
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I am not challenging anyone
I'm just trying to put some order in this chaos.
(and while at it, also correcting individuals)

These are two great examples of how poorly worded comments can start arguments.

NPT's comment was rather blunt, and didn't add anything useful to his otherwise good post. And DarkFlame's response sounded snippy. A better comment would have been: @NPT, you seem to know a lot about security. What's your background?

So let's drop it. NPT can answer the question if he chooses.

KC_LC - Beat you to it

Are you saying you don't know the meaning of irrational or illogical? They're not big words and I'm pretty sure they can't be made smaller.

oh hey.. i have an idea.

closed.