http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/28/former-...-in-5-10-years/

Sandy,
The man in charge of our own YoYo Games was featured in an article today on Engadget. Thought you might be interested.

link is dead

Learn how to post links and you might get more replies.


Anyway, nice find


I think the article is true. Hardly anyone plays on consoles and if they do, the population is spread out on the 3 main consoles. Whereas the computer has millions/billion of people communicating.

That link sent me to another site,
This link should work

Interesting.. Nice find.

I just tried the link and it works fine for me. I've been using this community for the past 8 years, I think I know how to post links.

Might have been a forum glitch because it works fine now.

Before it was linking to:
http://http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/28/...-in-5-10-years/





8 years? lol i guess you have only been learning math for 1 year.

I guess you should learn a little history before you start talking about math. This incarnation of the community has only existed since October 03 (well, September, but October is when it went public). The forums existed before that.

yes, and I was a member of the original forums, the furthest back forums I remember had a horrible black color scheme with bright yellow links... i think

Oh im sorry, ill just go apply for a GM history class at my local college.

The forums have moved and changed software at least three times. The community was on EZBoard before this, IPB before that, and EZBoard before that (again). Each time it changed, everyone had to re-register.

ohh

Well now I dont have to go to GM history class

a quick history of GM can be found on the YoYo Games wiki

http://www.yoyogames.com/wiki/show/Some%20Facts

ahh cool

Haven't seen you around until now.


Anyway, i think we need to get back on topic

If they stopped producing consoles I'd likely stop being a gamer. I barely play anything on my PC apart from the odd GM game occasionally (that I download properly, none of that Instant Play crap) and emulators that run console games.

I play all my games on a console because i have a crappy GPU on my computer (but it can run gm games).

A Console has no lag on gameplay because they are meant for that purpose.

However i dont like how you have to pay $50 per game, and there are no "endless" games like mmorpgs so once you have beat the game your $50 is down the drain.

On the computer you can find a game for any price (and free games) and there are tons of mmorpgs which dont end.

Oh that's wonderful, except MMORPG's are endless teeedium and the most succesful one I can think of you have to pay a stupid subscription fee that makes the game far more expensive than any console game I play. I'd rather play a game that has a proper ending and is yet replayable again and again purely because it's fun which I do with a lot of my favorite games. IF you enjoyed a game well enough the first time around you should enjoy it on multiple replays.

And I tend to buy console games pretty cheap actually. The trick is, waiting til they come down in price, and they become easily affordable even to an unemployed guy like myself.

Some people purchase consoles because they cost less than getting a similar PC with the same specs (as Microsoft / Sony / Nintendo get their profit off the games) and then mod it and fiddle with it so it runs like a PC.

A lot of people are buying consoles because they're so cheap, not realising their money is being stripped away by the games costing $100.

-Rhys

Is it just me, or does anyone else think that Sandy looks like someone who should be serving 10-15 years at Leavenworth?

Admittedly they could have a gotten a less...creepy picture.

Wow sandy was the VP of Xbox, i didnt know that

This stuff goes around all the time, for every article that says consoles are doomed two more pop up that say PC gaming is doomed. Here are some interesting ones:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23800152/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23713154/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22718374/

To be honest I prefer consoles myself. I have been a PC gamer since the days of DOS (man what a pain that was, practically had to make a different boot disk for every game) and I still do play PC games, but I really prefer the consoles. Nothing like just popping in a game the first time and it actually just works, don't have to read the box to make sure my 360 has enough RAM or a fast enough processor, and no concerns if my vc is going to choke on the graphics. The only thing a console gamer needs to know is if the game was made for their system or not.

Unless you have a system like me

But yeah, as you pointed out about PC gaming, I hear that all the time as well. Console gaming is very popular among the younger gamers (The Wii being a perfect example) while more mature people are part of the PC platform, for competitive gaming, modding, and other things. I don't see consoles dying out anytime soon.

Agreed. However, the old consoles (like Gamecube and N64) are long gone. It's all wireless and online.. =)

EDIT: I found this funny, in a way:

Thats what I thought xD

Anyway as I see it, its possible consoles *might* die out, since our pc's are becoming more and more better and cheaper.

O_O
I thought Sandy was a girl.
Again, O_O.
Wow. I shure do pay atention...

If you think about it, the next revolution in the video entertainment is gearing towards high quality displays which is now almost complete.

Hi resolution tvs, blue ray, and you can now plug your PC on your tv...

Gradually, everything will likely converge into a one box does it all. Receiver/movies/streamed media/games/computer/internet

Really it's not a great stretch to predict the death of Consoles. Which is not really a death but a metamorphoses into the future comming one box.

I foresee the death of the video/game rental store. But only when everyone is 100% connected with cheap high speed and the movies and games are cheap to rent.

Same. I was about to correct the topic starter quoting that Sandy wasn't the man behind YYG. It gave me a huge shock. I'm pretty sure he confirmed he/she was a woman through a PM I sent him/her. I think i asked about the EULA, activation problems, and her gender. Hmmmmmm....

I dunno, I think the only reason the Xbox would die in 5-10 years is because no Xbox can last longer than 3 years without dying . Consoles arent going to die, too many people still find them much more entertaining than computer games (including myself)

Other than the mention of Sandy's former post at Microsoft, I don't see any mention of the Xbox being "dead" in 10-15 years. Consoles as a whole, yes, but not specifically one platform over another. Where the heck did you pull that from, MikePacker?

Consoles death in 5-10 years time? Well I'd like to see that*

David

*sarkasm, as I think this is one of the most exaggerated statements I've seen lately.

I think most people did not read Sandy's (yes he is a man) interview carefully. He is not saying that the PC will take over from the consoles. He says that console functionality (interfacing, graphics power) will get intergrated in our TV set-up and that most content will be provided as a service over the internet rather than in DVDs you buy.

Mark

Where do you live... Antarctica? What evidence do you have to make that statement anything more than wild speculation?

Whilst I may not agree with Sandy's point of view, I congratulate him for being featured.

Maybe we can hope Microsoft dies in 5-10years aswell

I still find playing a game on a console better than on a computer, on a console you usually only have to have 1 online account, whereas on the computer there are many EA Games account, GameSpy, Reflective etc. Another good thing about consoles is that they do just work, you don't have to care about lag because it was built for that console (Inless you edited the Hardware etc.) Also a console doesn't slow down after time, whereas a PC and Mac they will slowly die over time.

-TDM

As Valve Complete Pack costs the same as one PS3 game I can hardly disagree with him.

@NPT he does look like a criminal doesn't he?

(No offence Sandy, that was just a joke.)

Remember!:

1) Consoles will live and die in the future, they come and go much faster then computer OS's come and go. (Windows is the exception )

2)We must also remember that if GM is released on a console, that it is much harder to release your game on the market then one would think.

See: http://gmc.yoyogames.com/index.php?s=&...t&p=2622122

(for more info on why it takes so long and hard to get your game on a console.)

Besides, this is absolutely not a surprise at all so how is it new news?

EDIT: It may look as if PC gaming is all up, no downs (as game maker runs on PC). However, remember that with Vista out they have to keep buying hardware just to get some games to work (that is, games released solely for Vista, the big-time companies), and those things come out EVERY month! So don't think that it is not costly.


There are 3 strikes which will keep video game stores open for decades to come. 1) If you buy a game and want to trade it in once your console dies, you can't because it is on your console. 2) How do you bring your game over to your friends house? (Without risking your whole console) 3) How do you give it/trade with your buddy? You can't it is on your console.

If you think console gaming is dead you are willingly ignorant, in 2006 XBOX LIVE players played 270,000 years worth of hours (Microsoft had some form of a counter to add up the hours).

Long live the indie scene.

Where will you develop your GM games then? Hypocrite.

I found funny how people on GMC (which is PC oriented forum) go saying that PC's are better/more acessible/more xy, when it's obvious that whole gaming is moving towards consoles.

Hopefully by then we'll have GM for Mac

That's an interesting article. It was nice of Sandy to mention some of our better game makers by name (even if they got the spelling wrong):



Full interview is here.

I'm not sure where I got that... I must have read it somewhere... haha not sure

Sandy also gave an interview about the future of GameMaker:

http://gamemakerblog.com/2008/03/30/sandy-...aker-8-in-2009/

Try playing a game like Super Smash Brothers on a computer. Computers have their niche, but I don't think consoles are going away any time soon.


Me and my roommates still play N64 all the time. And after the SNES, Gamecube was probably my favorite console. So for some people, they aren't long gone.

That is was I said LOL... I'm glad I'm not most people

It's almost like that right now but all the components are separate. The great hurdle will be for all these various companies to converge. Given there are so many companies out there trying to sell stuff, I'm 80% sure it's utopia and, therefore, something very drastic would have to happen in the industry for this to become reality.

It is interesting all right, but will his statements prove true? Only time will tell I guess. The picture is very serious. To serious...

I think that consoles will last much longer. As a lot of consoles are cheaper then the computers that can run the same games with the same graphic level. So people that can't afford a high powered computer can get a console to play the same games cheaper.

Yes but you have to imagine youself in 15 years... A lot can happen.

Processor power doubles about every 2-3 years... Think about it... Internet, 15 years ago was what... Almost Nothing compared with today (to the general public)

Would you have thought, 15 years ago that you would play your dvd with you console? Much less surf the web.

The thing is, downloading games with you console is here now... Watching TV is almost here too. I'm sure you can watch web casts with it...

In any case, convergence would be possible today. Again, the only thing standing it the way is competition for the market and lack of momentum... Or lack of will from the companies to do it. You can't blame them, they are making a ton of money with the status quo as it is... And that won't change.

Yes, I think consoles will be here in 15 years but not because they are cheaper. It will be because the companies will simply refuse to go down and die LOL.

whats so unimaginable about playing a game like smash bros on a computer? In 15 years, all game controllers could be USB compatable, and powerful enough computers that could run the games would be cheaper and more people would have them. The only problem I see is that its easy to take a console anywhere that has a TV and plug it in, but there are less places that have computers you could just gather around. But maybe in the future that wont be a problem either.

Not saying I think consoles will neccesarily be obsolete, just saying I could see it happening. Plus, alot can happen in 15 years. The SNES came out like 17 years ago or something and look how much has happened since then. I mean think about it, for alot of you here, 15 years is your entire life time.

Why do people keep on saying "omg computers are getting faster and cheaper!"
So what?! Computers have been getting faster and cheaper since the first one came out a thousand years ago.
Protip: Even if computers get faster, the highest end stuff will still cost a lot because high end computers will still be high end computers even if the high end computers of tomorrow are faster than the ones we have today. Mass produced consoles will always be cheaper than computers you have to stick together yourselves, especially since computers have all those compatibility problems you have to deal with. Or...something like that. =D

If consoles "die out," then computers will "die out" too, and we'll be left with an awesome mixture of PC and home console. Neither market will die if the other is still around, because the PC and console markets cater to very different audiences.

Or that's what I think, anyway. :3

computers would be more expensive than consoles, but the point is that you need to go out and buy new consoles, and you dont need to go out and buy a new computer system when companies release a new line of games, you would just already have the computer (in 15 years Id imagine most households would have atleast 1 computer).
Plus I heard companies lose money producing consoles and make the money back with the games (but dont quote me on that) so if they didnt need to make consoles that wouldnt be a problem.

But I think if the trend of the wii continues, and each company tries to make their console the unique one that consoles wont die out. Think about it. Lets say the wii, ps3, and xbox360 where all just games for pc rather than their own console. Then the wii would have to release an add on for the computer you already own for you to use their motion sensing and all that. If that was the case xbox could just start incorperating that device into their own games eventually since all three companies' games run on the same system (PC), and the wii wouldnt be unique anymore. If the consoles want too keep competing (and inovating as a result of competition) they need to stay on seperate platforms. Well I think that might keep consoles around, but what do I know.