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[MMX10]

I thinbk there should be cage matches for n00bs. Because none of there games could get into a real cage match. Well what do you think?

[S-Chuck]

The problem with this is how do you define a n00b.

There are members here who joined the forum yesterday, but have been using Game Maker for several years and could be quite good at using it. There are other members who have been around for a long time but still cannot create very decent games because they have not put time or effort into learning. If a member who has been here for a long time finally releases his or her first game, should it be allowed into the "Noob Cage Match"?

There are plenty of games that will never make it into one of the current cage matches that are quite good as well; there are far too many games released daily for all of them to receive a chance.

[Takagi]

I thinbk there should be cage matches for n00bs. Because none of there games could get into a real cage match. Well what do you think?

Well if you let all the n00b games get into a cage match and all the good games in a cage match let's start a mediocre user cage match. The cage match is a standard and a goal which actually motivates me to work better on my games. I think "n00bs" will slack off, knowing that they can also get into the n00b cage match.

[warrior]

I agree with takagi3567, besides I wouldn't enjoy n00b cagematches and it would lower the value of the real cagematch.

[CPS]

I think the match thing should stay the same but there should be a new competition like game of the week etc...

[Takagi]

I agree with takagi3567, besides I wouldn't enjoy n00b cagematches and it would lower the value of the real cagematch.

Oh the suspense... which should I choose...
A rip off of the 1942 example changing all the airplanes Halo space ships and calling it Halo: Enigma OR a buggy maze game with no real level design...

It would be a cage match in which nobody votes because both games are of equally bad quality.

[Diffusion Studios]

Yes, that would be a "n00b" cage match. However, what about a "newb" cage match. Two games, completely original, made with drag and drop. There's motivation for beginners to improve. If you want this, why not start your own? There's nothing stopping you. An idea could be for all of those who want to get a chance to be in to submit .gmds or .gm6es. Then, you can look at them, and tell which ones an effort was placed on. The thing is, you will have to get people to trust you with their editables. But, then again, novices shouldn't mind too much, as no one would really want to steal it except a "n00b". So prove you are not a "n00b" and you may have a shot.

[tommiev]

This could be pretty offending to newbies.

Edited by tommiev, 04 December 2004 - 08:14 AM.

[Jonfletc]

^^^

no it wouldnt, theyd be happy or atleast i think...

i think its a good idea, but then i cant decide whether S-Chuck is right aswell, so 'maybe'

[Diffusion Studios]

Maybe games made with D&D only(or only a little coding)? But, you would have to check the editable, but most novices would not care since they can get help in that way and many of them post their editable for people to fix. And, once again, not many people would want to steal a beginner's editable.

[Sensei Eggwoah]

Like S-Chuck said, there is no clear way of defining who is a beginner and who is advanced. You really can't judge a game by whether it uses D+D or not. I'm sure there are people that make use of alot of D+D yet make some great works of art here. There are also people that make some horrible games in code. Likewise, number of years using gm don't mean much either Look at me There is no solid defining factor here. Then the cage matches would be quite unfair often.

The problem that also arrises here is the idea that the game by the author which is more advanced will almost always win. There is no good way to standardize a "noob" ablility level. Another problem is, the only people benifiting from the cage match will be the participants. The contest just wouldn't have the same entertainment value that the original cage match has. Less people would actually want to participate in such a thing. There are probably alot of people that would feel quite let down if they were invited into a "noob" cage match.

There is no doubt that the intensions of including beginners in the exictement is a good one, but not very practical. I don't see that this idea would materialize well.

Edited by Sensei Eggwoah, 05 December 2004 - 12:10 AM.

[Diffusion Studios]

Nice small text. I was going to quote it, but that wouldn't be very nice. Anyways, my point is looking at the executable could be very revealing. If the person is useing advanced concepts, even if they do it in D&D, then the game would not be suitable. If the game is done mostly in code, but, for example, the creator copy and pastes the same function over and over again rather than useing repeat, then the game would probably be suitable (not a very good example I realize). And, we could tell for sure if the game is an edited example. Overall, I really take no intrest in this, but I would not want to discourage him from starting something like this on his own.

[KC LC]

OK, I can't hold it any longer. I've searched the forum and looked at lots of posts about "cage matches", but I still can't figure out what they are. Everybody talks about them, but ...

What exactly is a cage match?

[Trickstar Entertainment]

well for a noob cage match the reviews should be an average of like 5/10 or lower.

[Diffusion Studios]

A cage match is a competition held between two games. It is a poll, and they occur in both the WIP and Creations area. They are run by a member, so I see no reason why this person cannot start his own.

[warrior]

I still think the idea is bad, the awards are meant for people who deserve it, although cagematches are many times unfair the games that were chosen had effort put into them, the thing about n00b games is that when they're done with their engines which most of the times are examples, instead of taking the time to design the levels and animations they do a lousy job just to get it over with and wait for a good feed back.
If we do a n00b cagematch we might as well do an amateure's oscar's or nobel prize or just a category for it.

[imakegames99]

Heres a possible solution.
We can set up a Junior cagematch, *note* call it junior instead of noob to deflame the term.

So there we go
The CageMatch and The Junior Cagematch

Grading of the games will be quite apparent as to seeing what games should go under such categories. some of it is just plain common since, you guys dont have to make it any harder than it needs to be.

The only problem i see with extending the cagematch is that were not in our next era of gamemaking yet. YEa i mean we jumped one when gm6 came out and 3d began which is sorta "next gen" if you will. But what i mean is, in the future there will tons of more games and tons of more opportunities to define games under different levels of quality.

"If we do a n00b cagematch we might as well do an amateure's oscar's or nobel prize or just a category for it. "

Point taken but you gotta try to be a bit realistic with it, what idiot is goign to propose such an nidea for oscars and crap ?

[warrior]

Point taken but you gotta try to be a bit realistic with it, what idiot is goign to propose such an nidea for oscars and crap ?

What idiot would propose a n00b cagematch?
The point of the cagematch is to raise the quality of gm games you do a junior cagematch and you can expect the quality to lower.

Edited by warrior, 05 December 2004 - 03:45 AM.

[Diffusion Studios]

No, you will expect the quality of beginner's games to improve as well. Not many would want to lower the quality of the game to get it into a Beginner's Cage Match, as opposed to shooting for the big Cage Match.

[camzmac]

A cage match is a competition held between two games. It is a poll, and they occur in both the WIP and Creations area. They are run by a member, so I see no reason why this person cannot start his own.

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Normal members can't start polls, only mods+admins.