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[BassZ]

Is it possible to do a License upgrade from 8.1 to studio with a price compensation? Because, Honestly, It looks like once I get studio I will have no need for my GM8.1, so that's 40 bucks that's going nowhere. It would be really convenient if you could upgrade for the price difference.

[creators124]

Is it possible to do a License upgrade from 8.1 to studio with a price compensation? Because, Honestly, It looks like once I get studio I will have no need for my GM8.1, so that's 40 bucks that's going nowhere. It would be really convenient if you could upgrade for the price difference.

can't you just buy studio and still have 8.1?
would be good I don't know.
or maybe the people who are responsible of distributing GM can make a deal to give it to you for $59 if you deleted gm 8.1?

[BassZ]

Is it possible to do a License upgrade from 8.1 to studio with a price compensation? Because, Honestly, It looks like once I get studio I will have no need for my GM8.1, so that's 40 bucks that's going nowhere. It would be really convenient if you could upgrade for the price difference.

can't you just buy studio and still have 8.1?
would be good I don't know.
or maybe the people who are responsible of distributing GM can make a deal to give it to you for $59 if you deleted gm 8.1?

Yeah, thats what I mean, I personally see no reason having both Studio and 8.1. I would rather just do an upgrade, lose my 8.1 key and gain a studio key for like 60 bucks since that is the difference in the product prices.

Some people I can see wanting both, but honestly, I don't need both. Not to mention that it would be a lot easier on my wallet especially considering that to get the full benefit of studio you also have to buy extensions on top of studio. It would be a nice option in my opinion, you know?

[Hugo_Peters]

Is it possible to do a License upgrade from 8.1 to studio with a price compensation?

[Lune]

It would be really "convenient" to get a lot of things for cheaper or for free. It would also cost a lot of people a lot of money.

There is no upgrade, and never was. People who purchased 8.1 participated in the beta right before HTML5 came out were given compensation for a limited time, as is fairly normal around the time of a software upgrade, but 8.1 has been out for quite a while. $40 wasn't a ticket to 8.1 and everything that comes after it.

It's also worth noting that, if you're serious about developing commercial games (which is the point of GM:S), then the current price tag is rather small. The valuation of GM:S is already very good and asking for discounts is a disrespect to the time and effort being put into the program.

Edited by Lune, 04 July 2012 - 06:14 AM.

[BassZ]

It would be really "convenient" to get a lot of things for cheaper or for free. It would also cost a lot of people a lot of money.

There is no upgrade, and never was. People who purchased 8.1 right before HTML5 came out were given compensation for a limited time, as is fairly normal around the time of a software upgrade, but 8.1 has been out for quite a while. $40 wasn't a ticket to 8.1 and everything that comes after it.

It's also worth noting that, if you're serious about developing commercial games (which is the point of GM:S), then the current price tag is rather small. The valuation of GM:S is already very good and asking for discounts is a disrespect to the time and effort being put into the program.

How exactly is it a disrespect to time and money? Money does not grow on trees bro and honestly, the point is why have both? I got a free Upgrade from 7 when 8 came out, why is it such a ridiculous proposition to for an price difference upgrade option? You say they are losing money if they add an option to upgrade from 8.1 to studio at the price difference? Really, How so? You are not buying a physical copy, all you are buying as a product key to a program. That is it! How are they LOSING money from you trading in an old program key and upgrading to studio for the price difference? That's still 60$ just to change account keys JUST to studio. That does not count the hundreds you would have to spend in addition for the HTML5, Android, IOS, Ect. Its not even like they are selling an actual physical item that is being produced. All they are selling are keys to software.

Even with the man hours that have gone into studio, there is absolutely NO lose for allowing an upgrade option. If anything it would be a smart marketing move on their part. Not everyone will want to just throw down 100$ for a new copy of GM if they already have 8.1, especially given in the past they have done free upgrades for quite a few of the updates, not all but quite a few...

You have NO factual evidence that it would be. If anything its an incentive to get people to upgrade by meeting the price difference. Hell, it would even be an incentive for new customers who are a little iffy about 100$ to go and try 8.1 at 40$ and then upgrade for 60$ later. Not to mention if you REALLY want to get serious with producing anything you will have to spend anywhere from 100-500$ more just to get the full potential out of it. So to TRULY have all of the power of studio unlocked it will cost you 600$ for a product with a limited number of installs, so if you have to fdisk your comp, get a new hard drive and do a new install of windows, ect, you are burning $. In the end, all it is are software keys. YoYoGames does not have to produce ANYTHING other than occasional bug fixes now that the software is done so technically they are not really losing anything. Nothing physical is being produced, just time is all its costing them. Its not like they have to keep producing CD's, figure in the cost of production, ect. If it was an actual hard copy of software, I could see there being loss but honestly you are not making ANY valid arguments on why this would not be a good option.

Honestly if you want to call me out then get some FACTUAL evidence or get a YoYo official in here because saying they are losing money is farfetched for what they are actually selling. I cant produce any factual numbers on this being a winning move for YoYo. I don't have any numbers, any comparisons, or any of that. All I can give is examples on why it would be a good move and shoot logic holes into your flimsy argument. When it comes down to it, for what they are actually selling, there is no good argument to be made AGAINST adding an upgrade option. A company is a company though, but from a logical stand point its not exactly a horrible idea. If anything it should be food for thought to increase sales of their product to those who are new to GM or have already been a loyal customer in the past.

Say what you will, until hard, official, factual, evidence is given that this would be a marketing loss, Neither you or me or a majority of the form goers can make a real argument against or for this option. We can merely make a suggestion and discuss it. Maybe it will happen, maybe it wont, but you will never know if you don't put forth the time and effort.

Edited by BassZ, 03 July 2012 - 11:40 PM.

[Manuel777]

Haha, thats funny bassz, because YoYo guys DID made a discount (cant remember how much, but if it wasnt 40$ it was around the value) on HTML5 when it came out, they did said 8.1 will be obsolete in no time then, they alo recommended people who where willing to buy Studio 'in a near future' to upgrade to HTML5, because the HTML5 module was going to have mayor discount then.. so, if you havent upgraded 8.1 then, you lost your chance now, and we where warned!

[NakedPaulToast]

It would be really "convenient" to get a lot of things for cheaper or for free. It would also cost a lot of people a lot of money.

There is no upgrade, and never was. People who purchased 8.1 right before HTML5 came out were given compensation for a limited time, as is fairly normal around the time of a software upgrade, but 8.1 has been out for quite a while. $40 wasn't a ticket to 8.1 and everything that comes after it.

It's also worth noting that, if you're serious about developing commercial games (which is the point of GM:S), then the current price tag is rather small. The valuation of GM:S is already very good and asking for discounts is a disrespect to the time and effort being put into the program.

People who purchased 8.1 were NOT given a discount on HTML5.

People who signed up for the GM:HTML5 Beta were given a $20.00 promo-code for GM:HTML5 when it went on sale. It had nothing to do with owning any previous GM products.

[Lune]

@NPT
You're right. My bad. Apologies for the misinformation.

@BassZ
I'm sorry you feel that way. All I was wanting for you to do was respect what has gone into making the program, and the people behind it. It's a question about what you feel the product is worth. I happen to feel that the value is considerably more than the $100 price point, but you appear to think differently.

I've been watching the guys at YoYo work tirelessly to iron out bugs, add new features, and create a truly amazing program. They don't appear to me to just be sitting on their asses in the office, taking a few months off before working on GM:Next. They're doing all they can to make this the best software it can be, and it shows. So, yeah, I think $100 is cheap.

Also, they have stated many times that GM:S is not for the hobbyist. It's not for the amateur who just wants to toy around. They have GM8.1 for that. So, if you feel like you're just a hobbyist, don't be upset: GM:S isn't marketed to you and you are not its demographic. If, on the other hand, you are a commercial developer, then I have to wonder why you don't see the value in GameMaker.

Thanks

Edited by Lune, 04 July 2012 - 06:13 AM.