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[NakedPaulToast]

Apophenia ("the experience of seeing meaningful patterns or connections in random or meaningless data") and pareidolia ("a psychological phenomenon involving a vague and random stimulus (often an image or sound) being perceived as significant") might be the relevant search terms here.

An excellent example is seeing 9:11 on digital clocks. Since the World Trade Center catastrophe that has been branded as 9/11, when many see 9:11 on a digital clock they see that time as significant. That moment stands out for them, they start noticing when see 9:11, but not really noticing all the other occasions when less significant patterns are displayed.

Some actually begin to believe that 9:11 is being displayed an innapropriately amount of time.

[smash ball]

The "support" for God I've presented has an association with the book I've presented--The Urantia Book--which supports Evolution by precisely detailing how the first humans (not Adam and Eve, who came later on) actually evolved. I know that may not be saying much, but it is just one example of how one can believe in both God and Evolution at the same time.

The book might (I'm not about to read a few hundred pages on God and evolution), but the topic doesn't. Most of this topic has been either 'angel numbers,' or preaching God. I'm not seeing any scientific evidence on God and evolution (not evidence proving that God exists, but evidence proving God and evolution have the possibility of co-existing). Isn't God and evolution possibly co-existing the whole point of this topic? That's certainly what the title is.

And no, in my belief God wouldn't spend all of His time on numbers. But it is a tool that some angels use. I'm sure there is other support for God, but I thought numbers to be a little more practical to talk about for now.

Why not just bring up everything? You're the creator of the topic, so you might as well throw down your hand. It's not like you're going to be able to play cards in a certain order to get the best result. No one's going to activate a trap card and you aren't going to activate any other trap cards. Except maybe this guy's trap card...

...and this guy's...

...but that's beside the point. Well, depends on which point since I used a lot of dots in my post, so I guess it would also be above or below points. But that still gives no excuse to hold back another massive TL;DR warn-worthy post.

Edited by smash ball, 26 June 2012 - 01:25 AM.

[Creative Fusion]

For Apophenia, I gather that, as a statistical error, it is finding meaning in something that is attributable to mere chance. In that case, going back to what I said before, I'd be more interested in hearing about probability if one wants to be more practical.

For Pareidolia, the only test I've found so far listed is the Rorschach inkblot test, which I find mostly being criticized and labeled as pseudoscience.

In the 9:11 example, the gravity and memorability of the event and the 9/11 and maybe even the 911 phone calls might be very strong stimuli for some people seeing 9:11. But since I stated that my numbers only started appearing after reading the initial spiritual texts that contained nothing numerological, are you then proposing that my subconscious mind (which I find that many scientists even doubt the existence of, let alone the ability of) somehow ran a search and performed a query on other related information and downloaded the numbers into my brain? I know my mind is amazing, but wow.

So I am not finding information on the precise scientific methods used or the general results that make what you propose verifiable. These are facts for you guys, so I expect you to know a lot about them and for you to direct me to some of the places containing heaps of information in which you gathered that these are facts. If you can't do this, then please don't just blatantly say that what I believe in is wrong and that what you believe in is right (I am not speaking to everyone here). That would be a battle of faiths, not facts.

So, correct if I'm wrong in any of this, but you guys believe in a subconscious mind that is god-like. It can pull in information from adjacent or even remote locations, like in my random cars in the street example. It can even know of re-runs of old television shows that I never watched, like in the Deal or No Deal example. Near anything or everything supernatural can be attributed to the power of the subconscious mind. If this is true, then it shouldn't be hard for you to believe in psychic ability either, as it seems this is essentially what you are describing. Do you believe in psychics? If not, then why not?

smash ball, yes, I maybe could've had a better topic title. No discussion on Evolution here is going to be better than any discussion held by the most experienced people in the field. Though I didn't want to focus on the numbers too much either. I have mostly just been restating what I wrote in my first post. I rarely ever post on any forum since I don't have much time to keep up with discussions, so I really just wanted to introduce people to new things, particularly The Urantia Book since some skeptics, fundamentalists, and others actually appreciate it in one way or another.

[Erik Leppen]

my subconscious mind (which I find that many scientists even doubt the existence of

I was about to ask "Source?" but then I thought - well my computer has internet access too, so I googled "Does the subconscious mind exist" and indeed I found a few discussions expressing doubt - however it is certain that there are processes in the mind that go on without us being conscious of it. So the phenomenon exists. Scienctist however don't know yet what happens. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
Hee is a discussion on a psychology forum: Does the subconscious mind really exist?
Here is an abstract of an article supporting that we can "feel" something is happening without telling what it was. Visual sensing without seeing. This is an example of an unconscious process that scientists know exists, but can't yet explain.
Here is a weblog post about it: The myth of the subconscious mind.

If you can't [direct me to some of the places containing heaps of information in which you gathered that these are facts], then please don't just blatantly say that what I believe in is wrong and that what you believe in is right (I am not speaking to everyone here). That would be a battle of faiths, not facts.

It is a battle of faiths at the moment. Also, the science around this subject has only just started and while we know a lot, there's still a whole lot that we can't explain.

So, correct if I'm wrong in any of this, but you guys believe in a subconscious mind that is god-like.

If you want to call it that...

If this is true, then it shouldn't be hard for you to believe in psychic ability either

No, because "psychic ability" has not been demonstrated in controlled experiments, google James Randi.

[Smarty]

Actually Smarty, if you read my first post, you'll see that I did acknowledge that it could have been related to the forum software. And even so, I still considered all of those occurrences of the number 55 and 1955 in one spot in the forum relevant to the text I was writing about (The Urantia Book). Somehow my subconscious mind told me to come back to a forum I rarely ever posted on and take just the right amount of time to make my post in order to have all of those numbers fall in line around my post.... If you want to say all of my examples were due to my subconscious mind and leave it at that, that's very convenient, but that's fine if you believe that. Though I'd be more interested in hearing about probability if you want to be more practical.

Fine:

Also, I ask that someone strong in math explain the statistical probability for chance of my initial 55 example--the one where I spoke of my post count and the number 55 in 3 adjacent posts and 1 other area adjacent my post. Remember that The Urantia Book's publication date (October 1955) was also represented in one of those adjacent posts with the 10:55 timestamp and another adjacent post with the 1955 post count.

You mean, given that people post every minute here, and given that the number 55 can appear in a time notation 24 times per day? And given there are plenty people with up to 2000 post counts, which will all have passed the number 55 for the 20th time at some point?

I would say millions (we are talking about the same millions) seeing the numbers on a regular basis is pretty significant. How often can any of you even remember seeing 11:11?

Some of us may not think it important enough to remember.

For Pareidolia, the only test I've found so far listed is the Rorschach inkblot test, which I find mostly being criticized and labeled as pseudoscience.

Classic examples of pareidolia is where our brains are hard-wired to recognize human shapes, even if they aren't there. In particular faces. This happens a lot on photos, and it leads people to believe they are ghostly, supernatural or alien appearances. Examples here, here, here and here. It's almost impossible for us to look through the image and recognize it for what it is. Pareidolia is in fact, quite likely an evolutionary trait - there is benefit for the species in being able to pick out potential mating partners, or enemies, in any surroundings. I'll paint one dot, you'll see one dot. I'll paint two, you'll see two dots. I'll add a line, you'll make it out to be a face. It really is as simple as that, but it also freaks us out sometimes.

So, correct if I'm wrong in any of this, but you guys believe in a subconscious mind that is god-like.

The word I may have been looking for is actually 'unconscious', as in, 'unaware'. And I do not perceive it to be 'god-like', whatever that might mean. There is nothing special about us picking up signals without explicitly dedicating thoughts to them.

Edited by Smarty, 26 June 2012 - 11:01 PM.

[Creative Fusion]

Thank you all for the ideas and links, but I was really looking for more in-depth information published by multiple parties covering the evidence for these concepts. But if there are scientists questioning it, then I know there's not enough information available yet, and that's ok. You can just understand why some people wouldn't be able to accept it. I was also looking for an actual calculation for the probability problem. (Not really. I know it's not that easy, so don't worry about it.) But let's end the talk of numbers and agree to disagree on that point since neither side is providing much of anything convincing to those already set in their beliefs. And "It is a battle of faiths at the moment.".

I've said all that I wish to say here at the moment and am trying to do something much different that will make more of an impact and be a better platform for me delivering my most important messages. If I am to end with something a little preachy and "wacky" to some, it is this: Whether you believe in God or not is not of prime importance right now. Spiritual Qualities are what this planet desperately needs. Many (who don't necessarily believe in a certain God) consider the year 2012 to be a year of spiritual awakening, and many believe we need to have collectively reached a certain spiritual level, else we will lose out tremendously for many, many ages to come. So consider yourself potentially doing the planet a HUGE favor by becoming more spiritual this year. If you want to slide back into your old ways in 2013, that's fine.

I'm still monitoring this topic, but since I have much to do, I probably won't be posting much for awhile unless there's a good reason to. Feel free to contact me for any reason. I may have something else interesting to send you.

[Smarty]

Thank you all for the ideas and links, but I was really looking for more in-depth information published by multiple parties covering the evidence for these concepts. But if there are scientists questioning it, then I know there's not enough information available yet, and that's ok. You can just understand why some people wouldn't be able to accept it. I was also looking for an actual calculation for the probability problem. (Not really. I know it's not that easy, so don't worry about it.) But let's end the talk of numbers and agree to disagree on that point since neither side is providing much of anything convincing to those already set in their beliefs.

Wait, what? You've been given ample example of how probable your improbable numbers are. You haven't really tried to counter it. And now you launch your escape pod by dismissing us for a lack of authority on the subject?

To me, you come across as a patient who has been, in the course of this topic, diagnosed with numerology, apophenia and pareidolia. And as it turns out, you're in denial of your afflictions.

I've said all that I wish to say here at the moment and am trying to do something much different that will make more of an impact and be a better platform for me delivering my most important messages. If I am to end with something a little preachy and "wacky" to some, it is this: Whether you believe in God or not is not of prime importance right now. Spiritual Qualities are what this planet desperately needs. Many (who don't necessarily believe in a certain God) consider the year 2012 to be a year of spiritual awakening, and many believe we need to have collectively reached a certain spiritual level, else we will lose out tremendously for many, many ages to come. So consider yourself potentially doing the planet a HUGE favor by becoming more spiritual this year.

Give us a sign, great prophet. At what time would that happen? 11:11? 22:22? 10:01? 12:34? 01:01? 02:02? 03:03? 12:12? 13:13? 18:18? 20:02? 03:30? ...

[Katuko]

Many (who don't necessarily believe in a certain God) consider the year 2012 to be a year of spiritual awakening, and many believe we need to have collectively reached a certain spiritual level, else we will lose out tremendously for many, many ages to come. So consider yourself potentially doing the planet a HUGE favor by becoming more spiritual this year. If you want to slide back into your old ways in 2013, that's fine.

This sounds an awful lot like Y2K, The Rapture, End of The World, etc. that has been predicted but never happened.

[Creative Fusion]

Sorry, I tried to word that last message in a way that would not offend. There is simply more I want to talk about than numbers. We can't get very far continuing to discuss things that aren't 100% verifiable on either side. To each his own beliefs.

I'm not one to say on a specific day and time something will certainly happen. Of course, most people are already aware of the Dec. 21st 2012 date, at the time of the winter solstice. Some merely believe the week of. However, not everyone believes it is a "doomsday" scenario. They believe it is more about planetary advancement. Regardless of whether one thinks this is silly and likely not going to happen because certain other predictions (attributed to humans and with little to no associated scientific significance no less) didn't happen, having more spiritual living does not necessitate believing in God or giving up all of one's pleasures and contributes to our personal lives and planet-wide health anyway. So why not give it a shot and potentially help change the course of this world?

[Erik Leppen]

So consider yourself potentially doing the planet a HUGE favor by becoming more spiritual this year. If you want to slide back into your old ways in 2013, that's fine.

This is what I'd call blackmail.

So why not give it a shot and potentially help change the course of this world?

"Why not" is never an argument.

[DatPlankton]

So why not give it a shot and potentially help change the course of this world?

Now we've reached Pascal's Wager, basically.

[smash ball]

To me, you come across as a patient who has been, in the course of this topic, diagnosed with numerology, apophenia and pareidolia. And as it turns out, you're in denial of your afflictions.

He can't believe it's not butter.

Sorry, I tried to word that last message in a way that would not offend. There is simply more I want to talk about than numbers. We can't get very far continuing to discuss things that aren't 100% verifiable on either side.

1) Talk about it already (stuff other than numbers) because you haven't.
2) You completely ignored the other side.

[Creative Fusion]

IMPORTANT MESSAGE
(Please read it all.)

If anyone desires to see change on this planet, you need to get up and do something. Even if you are content with the current state of the world because you aren't afflicted with some woes that others face, think about your future children and others across the world. If you believe in God, as I do, you should realize that He will not directly fix everything for us. Prayer certainly helps, but most prayers are made out of high hope. In my belief, this longing makes some prayers less effective or counterproductive, keeping you even further from your desired result. You have to know and command your desires into reality. Use phrases like "I AM" and "I KNOW" and "I COMMAND", not "I hope". Be more affirmative, and amazing things will manifest. You and your mind must do something if you want this planet changed now.

In order for the planet to ascend soon, it is transmitted that we need to have collectively reached a certain spiritual level in 2012. Don't look for an exact date and time. In reading some transmissions (not necessarily at that link I provided in my first post), you will learn that the celestials have had to shift some plans due to certain events (such as the 9/11 "terrorist" attacks, whose true nature and purpose has been revealed in the transmissions). No date or time you find should be considered definite, but celestial transmissions do say that 2012 is one of the appointed times for advancement.

If you don't believe any of this, try reading some of the transmissions (and use discernment while doing so), The Urantia Book, and other associated items. I am positive many will start believing (not necessarily in God) after reading about our history in-depth, including our evolution. You could say "You can't believe everything you read", but essentially everything you know you have read somewhere. Most of our reality has been shaped by those that came before us, and if something is not 100% verifiable, it falls within our own "faith". But we should all look away from our own "holy texts" every now and then and explore the volumes of information on the other side.


Celestial Gifts


Here is a list of some of the things intended for this planet in the near future (likely after 2012 and perhaps not right after, and things depend on us):

- free energy devices
- machines that convert light energy into matter for food and clothing
- telepathic communication system and better voice-to-voice communication over distances
- automated highway system with levitating vehicles
- aircraft that can travel 8 times the speed of sound
- teleportation system
- some physical stabilization of the planet, cleanup, and enhancement
- advanced healing and teaching centers
- restructuring of government, of course
- debt forgiveness and distribution of wealth, though money won't necessarily be required
- more time to pursue your inner joys (less time at jobs, and more fulfilling jobs)
- life will be better, not boring as one might think (those in the flesh can still "be intimate", and there will still be entertainment and so forth)
- some people will stay on this planet, and others will go to better ones

It is transmitted that the changes planned for this planet will not immediately fix it. Those on this planet will still have to do their part in creating a better reality, but it will be easier.


Revelations


The following are not prophetic messages from myself. I apologize if anything may be in error, but I am merely summarizing some of the things I have read. It is only fair that you become aware of the possibilities. These revelations do not have a "time absoluteness", so do not look for a specific date or time. Just know that some things are currently scheduled to happen soon.

There won't be a "war of Armaggeddon" or immense suffering like one might think. There will be 3 days of darkness without any electricity. I've seen one person of prominence state an actual date for this event in a conference, but I say just be a good boy scout and always be prepared. I don't believe it is said that anything catastrophic will happen to the planet during those 3 days. It is just a notice to us that many will recognize as a sign of our times.

There will be a mini "stasis" event in the middle of the 3 days. A "stasis" event is where the celestials put the population to sleep in order to perform certain duties on the planet (some people will be able to remain awake and assist). A major stasis event is scheduled on a later date to make sweeping changes to the planet for those people that will be continuing life here (others will be moving to other planets).

In the event that there is ever a planet catastrophe, there is a plan in place to evacuate people in a short period of time. Don't worry about the details, as what you need to know will be conveyed to you during the event (if it should happen). Some might view this evacuation as "The Rapture", but it would only be one of such "raptures". In this major scenario, the really dark ones destroying this world and its people in one way or another will be "left behind", and they will likely perish, but it will likely be a quick death, so they will not suffer. But the real evil types that ever die are uncreated (oblivion). Most people will be saved. However, your new destination planet may differ from others depending on what spiritual level you are currently at. For example, if you died, you could eventually reincarnate as a caveman on another primitive world, or, if you lived, you could go to a much better world in an enhanced version of your current body, and all of this depends on your spiritual level.

In a mini "rapture" scenario, to happen during the mini stasis event in the middle of the 3 days of darkness (that is before the possible evacuation scenario), those "left-behinds" would be taken care of by the celestial administration in one way or another. So if you think you might be one of the people "raptured" during the 3 days of darkness, don't go getting rid of all of your possessions or anything like that. Your things will be distributed by the celestial administration, and your loved ones will be looked after. Though some of you in your mind can ask to be "stay-behinds" in order to assist others during this time, and I believe it is said that you can receive telepathic ability to help you better assist.

The time will come when some of the celestials explain everything that is going on, what has happened in our past, and what will happen in the future. The "dark regime" may have had you believing that these celestials are here to destroy us, but I believe it is transmitted that they might not be allowed to deceive us. These government conspiracies you've heard of will fail. They are already fastly losing their power due to the will of certain humans that stood up to change our reality. And you can participate in this too. Use your "I AM" "I KNOW" and "I COMMAND" power phrases, thoughts, talents, and spirituality to help accelerate change.


Conclusion


Remember that 2012 (which might not be our 2012, as some have proposed, but best to be prepared) is one of the appointed times for planetary ascension (the next one to not happen in your lifetime). The planet will not ascend without us collectively having reached a certain spiritual level. So while some things may still happen, a massive shift of the type you might expect may not be one of them if we don't all do our part. Don't focus too much on dates and times. Do what you can do for yourself and the planet now. That does not mean you have to go "get God" or "get religion", but that you do have to cultivate your Spiritual Qualities if you desire to see change. I believe that is true whether you believe in the other things or not.

Keep your eye out for the signs of the "end times" (which are really just signs of a new beginning), and be ready, also knowing that the planet will not be destroyed, and you will be protected. But everyone will be treated fairly and receive the fruits of their labors, whether good or bad.

For a fairly good, basic introduction to 2012 and relevant items, you can read a human interpretation at this link. (NOTE: Just because I am linking to this does not necessarily mean I believe all of it, and it does not mean I believe all or any of what is stated on any website it may link to. Use discernment.)

For an advanced revelation of The Divine Plan, you can read a celestial transmission at this link.

I am sorry if any of this offends or unsettles you, but I think you can agree that we need to fix this planet. Whether you believe in God or not is not important right now. Most of you are probably already good people, but our planet needs more people with better spiritual qualties if it is to change. Do not hope for change. Know that change is here and that you are accelerating it by doing something now. Command what you want into reality and help create a better future for ourselves and our descendants.

Best of luck to you.

[makerofthegames]

I feel like you're somehow personally attacking me with your post (the one above mine), yet since I haven't posted on this topic yet, that's clearly not possible... And yet, I still feel this way.

Edited by makerofthegames, 30 June 2012 - 11:38 PM.

[chance]

I feel like you're somehow personally attacking me with your post (the one above mine)...

I think you're right. One of his links is the Urantia Book. Have you read chapter 7? It mentions you by name.

Or maybe it's chapter 13.

[makerofthegames]

I feel like you're somehow personally attacking me with your post (the one above mine)...

I think you're right. One of his links is the Urantia Book. Have you read chapter 7? It mentions you by name.

Or maybe it's chapter 13.

I knew it.

[Katuko]

And with that last post Creative Fusion just went off the deep end for me; by which I mean I don't think there is any point in trying to reply to the statements anymore. It lies somewhere between sad wishful thinking and misguided belief, and and it has even less backing it than anything I've read earlier. Still, here I go. :/

I only agree with one part of what is said: If you want to fix the damn planet, then do something. Work for science to proceed to the point where we can make better equipment. Work for politics to work better. Don't just sit there and believe in fairy magic to hand us "celestial gifts".

Do you honestly believe that if we all sit down and go "yo, spirits, cool that you're there", then suddenly we will be handed energy-to-matter convertors? Interplanetary travel? Levitating vehicles? First of all, spirits = sci-fi tech sounds like such a logic leap that it feels more like a kid's wet dream than anything. Second of all, do you honestly think that the spirits or whatever can restructure our entire social nature on a whim, such that we all suddenly live in harmony and share our wealth, etc? I don't see the reasoning behind this.

The time will come when some of the celestials explain everything that is going on, what has happened in our past, and what will happen in the future. The "dark regime" may have had you believing that these celestials are here to destroy us, but I believe it is transmitted that they might not be allowed to deceive us. These government conspiracies you've heard of will fail. They are already fastly losing their power due to the will of certain humans that stood up to change our reality. And you can participate in this too. Use your "I AM" "I KNOW" and "I COMMAND" power phrases, thoughts, talents, and spirituality to help accelerate change.

- Then why don't they just do that now? Jeez, if they're gonna suddenly fix everything there's no point in waiting, really.
- What government conspiracies, exactly? If they exist, how do you know they are losing power "fastly"?
- If I had these powers I'd send them your way first.

Now this part, in particular, I want to comment on:

(such as the 9/11 "terrorist" attacks, whose true nature and purpose has been revealed in the transmissions)

Revealed in transmissions. I find it maddeningly tragic that people - or conspiracy theorists for that matter - try to shift terrorist attacks over on divine will or whatever. You're not gonna sit there and tell me that damned spirits somehow justify people murdering a bunch of other people, as you do when you put "terrorist" in quotes. Tell me, then, what this transmission says, and why it is believable. If you drop bombshells like this, you better have all the evidence at hand from the get-go.

Hell, I'm not even American and I get peeved at 9/11 being used as the example here. Do other massacres have some "true nature", then? Shootings? Suicide bombings? Murder-rapes?

I am sorry if any of this offends or unsettles you, but I think you can agree that we need to fix this planet. Whether you believe in God or not is not important right now. Most of you are probably already good people, but our planet needs more people with better spiritual qualties if it is to change. Do not hope for change. Know that change is here and that you are accelerating it by doing something now. Command what you want into reality and help create a better future for ourselves and our descendants.

It offends me on the grounds that it sounds like whomever wrote this is writing entirely from wishful thinking; blending religion and spiritualism and sci-fi into one big tangled-up ball of stringy spaghetti. Fixing the planet? Yes, sure. But I notice that you have stopped trying to justify these "spirits" existence through signs and is now just preaching "spiritual world-fixing", really.

Edited by Katuko, 01 July 2012 - 10:53 AM.

[Creative Fusion]

Again, the "spirits" you talk of would be the "energy-based 'aliens'" you spoke of (though some of them live here, and not aliens in the traditional sense). I believe most if not all of which we'd initially be exposed to would be of human appearance. Talk of angels and other energy-based beings, not "spirits". "Ghosts" would be something else.

I am not fully certain if the "gifts" are contingent upon us (so I wouldn't call it "blackmail"), but the planetary ascension would be contingent upon our collective level of spirituality, as per the rules of the heads of the celestial government. Read "The Divine Plan" link I posted as a starting point.

As I said, the changes to the planet will not immediately fix everything. There will still be war (for a time), and disease and death for some people, etc. Some of the shared wealth would come from money stripped from the "dark ones" currently in government. Read the link I posted about 2012 as a starting point. It speaks of two economic reformation acts that you can google. There is a long history behind this.

The celestials in charge here don't do anything on a whim. They have their own government and rules to follow just like we do. When the higher-ups say it is time, then it is time. (Do any of us know why our government does all of the things it does and when? No. We just follow the rules like everyone else, knowing that there is someone wiser than us that does things for a reason.) They will never automatically fix everything, as I said. They will help, but it is really up to us.

Most people know about the NWO conspiracy. You can even find videos of Bush Sr. and others in high places speaking openly on it. If you research some of the people involved, you will find that they are losing their financial assets, and some are even being jailed. So yes, they are falling apart.

The celestials did not cause 9/11. There were no "terrorists". Meaning, it was an inside job. I once saw a poll in the news showing that most americans believe this. I won't point to any one video or article that delivers all of the facts of that event. There are plenty you can google around for. The material from people in high places is deeper than anything I've read in a transmission thus far. But I've already linked to one website that may be good to start with.

There is a structured celestial organization. They have rules and technical limits. They will not and can not fix everything for us. There is nothing magical about any of this.

[Erik Leppen]

Gray = quote Creative Fusion, post #53.

If anyone desires to see change on this planet, you need to get up and do something. Even if you are content with the current state of the world because you aren't afflicted with some woes that others face, think about your future children and others across the world. If you believe in God, as I do, you should realize that He will not directly fix everything for us. Prayer certainly helps, but most prayers are made out of high hope. In my belief, this longing makes some prayers less effective or counterproductive, keeping you even further from your desired result. You have to know and command your desires into reality. Use phrases like "I AM" and "I KNOW" and "I COMMAND", not "I hope". Be more affirmative, and amazing things will manifest. You and your mind must do something if you want this planet changed now.
This is trivial nonsense. Of course, collectively doing nothing keeps things as they are, so if one wants change, of course one would need to act. D'oh And whether one wants change, is arguable, even.

In order for the planet to ascend soon, it is transmitted that we need to have collectively reached a certain spiritual level in 2012.
"It is transmitted" is vague language. What was transmitted, and when, from where to whom, and what did the transmission look like? What do you mean by "transmitted" anyway?, We don't like vague language, as vague language is often a sign of a vague concept.

but essentially everything you know you have read somewhere. Most of our reality has been shaped by those that came before us, and if something is not 100% verifiable, it falls within our own "faith". But we should all look away from our own "holy texts" every now and then and explore the volumes of information on the other side.
There is a difference between reading "this is true" and reading "this is demonstrated in a closed repeatable controlled experiment that goes as follows: ...". For some reason I put more faith in the latter one, believing (yes, believing) there are indeed people who have actually repeated the experiment. (An idea known as peer review in science).

- free energy devices
There is a scientific consensus that perpetual motion in an isolated system violates either the first law of thermodynamics, the second law of thermodynamics, or both.

machines that convert light energy into matter for food and clothing
Humans don't need clothing. It is an invented concept that we have done without for ages before it was invented. We had fur.

- telepathic communication system and better voice-to-voice communication over distances
A technique which shows statistically significant evidence of telepathy on every occasion has yet to be discovered.

- automated highway system with levitating vehicles
You mean self-controlling little helicopters? Very possible. A classic "view of the future" I have doubts whether it would work, (as in, solve any problems). I have more faith in less traveling. If there are less people on the move, we don't need our infrastructure to become three-dimensional.

Also sooner or later we run out of oil.

- aircraft that can travel 8 times the speed of sound
Technically very possible, there have been tests at Mach 7 already.

- teleportation system
the no-teleportation theorem states that quantum information cannot be measured with complete accuracy..

- some physical stabilization of the planet, cleanup, and enhancement
Vacuous truth.

- advanced healing and teaching centers
Already exists: hospitals resp. the internet.

- restructuring of government, of course
Happens every four years...

- debt forgiveness and distribution of wealth, though money won't necessarily be required
Vacuous truth - there is alreayd a distribution of wealth, and an equal distribution won't ever happen.

- more time to pursue your inner joys (less time at jobs, and more fulfilling jobs)
Of course - because robots will take over ever more tasks.

- life will be better, not boring as one might think (those in the flesh can still "be intimate", and there will still be entertainment and so forth)
This is an opinionated, hence non-testable statement.

- some people will stay on this planet, and others will go to better ones
There are no better ones. We evolved on this planet, so we are adapted to this planet. There are results that peole who stayed in space for too long got eye problems because of the effects of zero gravity on our bodies.

It is transmitted that the changes planned for this planet will not immediately fix it. Those on this planet will still have to do their part in creating a better reality, but it will be easier.
Stating what we want to hear; also, true for every possible outcome because of the Forer effect.

The following are not prophetic messages from myself. I apologize if anything may be in error, but I am merely summarizing some of the things I have read. It is only fair that you become aware of the possibilities. These revelations do not have a "time absoluteness", so do not look for a specific date or time. Just know that some things are currently scheduled to happen soon.
Either you provide us with a source, or all choice we have is to believe you or not. If you say "there will be X", why would anyone believe you. Because you say "it is transmitted"? Then show us the damn transmission, so we can check for ourselves whether we trust the source. If it happened, it happened at some point in time. No source == based on faith. It's simple as that.

Remember that 2012 (which might not be our 2012, as some have proposed, but best to be prepared)
i.e. "2012 on a timescale that can be anything", which means "can be anytime". Therefore, vacuous truth.

The planet will not ascend without us collectively having reached a certain spiritual level.
Repeating yourself doesn't help.

I am sorry if any of this offends or unsettles you, but I think you can agree that we need to fix this planet. Whether you believe in God or not is not important right now. Most of you are probably already good people, but our planet needs more people with better spiritual qualties if it is to change. Do not hope for change. Know that change is here and that you are accelerating it by doing something now. Command what you want into reality and help create a better future for ourselves and our descendants.Yes, yes.

Best of luck to you.
Luck? I thought we were saved from doom by divine beings?

 

By the way, seeing the problems in the completeness of your arguments and knowing of other statements contradicting yours, I choose to not believe you.

Edited by Erik Leppen, 01 July 2012 - 01:15 PM.

[makerofthegames]

The celestials did not cause 9/11. There were no "terrorists". Meaning, it was an inside job.

Now with a statement like that, how can I be sure that I'm speaking to a sound minded individual?
EDIT: Oh, and by the way, what the hell does any of this have to do for a support of God and evolution? Honestly, I never connected that in any of the points you raised.

Edited by makerofthegames, 01 July 2012 - 04:27 PM.