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[Crollo]

Teens are haters? Again, age has nothing to do with this. It's about each person's personality.

You are certainly correct,but this is a particular phase when you can expect someones nasty personality to overcome their good,and better side.Hence more teens will insult and hurt people for small or no reasons.

Do you have any idea at all how contradictory your entire post was? Mentally, I feel as though somebody is taking a 12 foot plank and just slamming it into my brain repeatedly.

[roytheshort]

Teens are haters? Again, age has nothing to do with this. It's about each person's personality.

You are certainly correct,but this is a particular phase when you can expect someones nasty personality to overcome their good,and better side.Hence more teens will insult and hurt people for small or no reasons.

Why? Where is your source for this?
Otherwise it just seems like a meaningless dig at teenagers.

[Lawsome1997]

The thing is, people are downrepping more then uprepping. And showing people who's downrepping them is causing fights.

Then A mod abused the system.

Basically, this is a really bad idea but the mods on here are refusing to change it despite the fact we all hate it.

I tried to get a workaround to make the system more fair but that is not allowed.
I tried to face the problem head on but that is not allowed.
I tried to show the moderators that a majority of people do not like the new system by getting them to make a poll but they did not reply to my Pm.
I tried to make a manual poll but that is not allowed.
I tried to work around the problem again but that was still not allowed.

Grr...

Soooo... Moderators can't have an opinion? And if they do, they can't voice it or make it known? That's a bit fascist, y'know...

As for your points :

I tried to get a workaround to make the system more fair but that is not allowed. - What can be fairer than a system that permits people to give positive and negative feedback? Unfair is giving ONLY positive or ONLY negative.

I tried to face the problem head on but that is not allowed. - What? What problem? And how did you try to face it? And what did you do that wasn't allowed? Without substantial proof this is just an absurd statement.

I tried to show the moderators that a majority of people do not like the new system by getting them to make a poll but they did not reply to my Pm. - the reasons for not making a poll have already been explained elsewhere in this topic. If you choose to ignore those reasons then that is not the moderators fault.

I tried to make a manual poll but that is not allowed. - Oh, it can be allowed, it just depends on HOW you do it. the community has rules and rules must be followed..

I tried to work around the problem again but that was still not allowed. - I repeat, WHAT PROBLEM? This really is just too much... you keep saying that "it is not allowed" but you fail to give any evidence of what you say. Obviously if you go against the rules of the forum, then you will have problems, but it's not a personal thing like you appear to be trying to make out.

Lol of course moderators can have an opinion! But they must also keep in mind that they are role models to the rest of the community.

The problem is primarily people voting down not just the post that they disagree with but other posts so as to amplify the negative rep. Also, troll attacking the system and voting posts down for no reason. That is very unfair.

Cruelty is stronger than kindness, unfortunately, negative votes hurt people.

I made a topic that allowed the community to iron out trolls by upvoting unfairly downvoted posts, it wasn't perfect, but it allowed everyone to eliminate the virus in a quick way that didn't put too much pressure on moderators to manually remove each negative troll vote. It required the entire community to work together to get rid of negative votes. It was promptly deleted without my knowledge, I worked out the topic was gone half an hour later.

Irritated, I asked in this topic and a mod replied that my topic was using corruption to fight corruption and that was not allowed. Ok then, I thought, I argued the case that the negative votes button encouraged trolls but it was become rapidly apparent that the simple arguing of one person was not enough.

I Pm'd a mod to make a poll so that the community could decide together on this topic, he ignored my Pm (which I worked out thanks to that helpful "last read" icon). I tried two other mods but failed to get into contact with them. A tiny bit infuriated I made a manual poll, In a separate topic which I agree was wrong but goodness I was wound up by then. I was told off by a mod who explained that there was a very good reason to not making a poll, I could not and can still not find this reason so I asked him what possible negative effects this poll could have. No reply.

Losing hope, I campaigned to get the rep system removed altogether, I made a topic in the suggestions place like you are meant to when you have a suggestion, I assume someone had already asked the rep system to be removed because my topic was locked.

I gave up and informed people so and went to bed.

I woke up and decided I was not done yet, my options for protest were being taken away from me but I could still try.

And so we end up here, All I can say is that I am aware of how irritating this is for both sides, I imagine your feelings are the exact same as mine and I suggest that before you make an0other change like this you consult the community and see how they feel.

I am very sorry for all the distress I have caused you, I see that my means of getting my opinion across have not always been the best. Because I don't give in very easily. But I am unsure of what to do.

[Nocturne]

See, everything you have done is against the rules.... Or at least one rule in particular, which states that you cannot make duplicate topics! We have THIS topic for discussing reputation and so this is where all discussions should be held. It is also not up to you to try and "right wrongs" as you are a member like any other, not some super member who can judge what is and what is not a genuine and deserved change in the reputation of others, and creating a topic to that end is a potential cause of trouble. As for polls, it has been found over the years that they serve little or no function, and that having a topic full of posts and genuine opinions is far more interesting and likely to achieve change.

Now, don't get me wrong, I (and the guys at YoYo) apreciate that this decision may not be to everyone's liking, and your opinions do count and will be taken into account. However with something like this, I feel that we should all take a deep breath and just get on with things and see how it all pans out in a few months. Once everyone has got used to the change we can review the situation.

[Lawsome1997]

I'm sorry again, I see what you mean, i find it really hard to back down in an argument.

[ZyklonMiraj]

if i have hurt anyone i am sorry.It was not my intention and is not my intention to hurt anyone.
Edit:I would also like to apolozige with the Mods for double posting earlier.

Edited by ZyklonMiraj, 17 June 2012 - 10:10 AM.

[Desert Dog]

I'm with Lawsome, I don't think the negative rep brings any value to the forum. I do think it brings a very.. negative element to the community. I don't think it's as harmless as 'just a number'.

When someone asks a silly question, I don't want them to be de-repped.
When someone answers a question, or attempts to, best they can, I don't want them de-repped. I want them +1'ed.
If someone 'goofs up', I don't want a bunch of angry people de-repping his (unrelated) posts.


.. also, guys, if you don't like the negative button, remember you can not press it yourselves. I mean.. saying you don't want it.. then using it freely.. sends mixed messages.

[True Valhalla]

.. also, guys, if you don't like the negative button, remember you can not press it yourselves. I mean.. saying you don't want it.. then using it freely.. sends mixed messages.

Easily the best point made in this thread so far.

[chance]

saying you don't want it.. then using it freely.. sends mixed messages.

Yes, good point. But ever since Mike allowed people to see who gave them negative rep, not many people are doing it.

[Desert Dog]

Yes, good point. But ever since Mike allowed people to see who gave them negative rep, not many people are doing it.

It's quite fun, actually. I've seen where someone negative repped someone who actually helped solve there topic. (for some, petty reason)

But quite bad. People can see I +1'd a silly post. I did it my accident, danggit, by accident!!

[Rusty]

Rusty is being swayed by this idea... as much as it might hurt immature users, it's actually a lot better for debating and such. While the negative rep is still pretty pointless and rather petty, showing who repped your posts is genius.

A +1 from a member I respect is going to mean a lot more to me than some random new kid.

[NakedPaulToast]

Give the system a chance.

When the -rep button first started up people played with it, abused it a bit. But now that people see who repped what there is some accountability.

If somebody appears to be inappropriately -repping there can be retribution.

It's a new system, a lot of people are experimenting with the new toy, like a lot of new things the culture will adjust.

[Overloaded]

At least they must put the + button to the right and the - to the left, because I sometimes make mistakes and instead of pressing the + button, I press -. I did it with Rusty now. Sorry.

[DJ Vinyl Scratch]

When will we stop posting here?

[Snail_Man]

When will we stop using excessive formatting?

On topic, I actually am starting to like this system as is. I think the rest of the GMC will come around after a while.

[NakedPaulToast]

When will we stop posting here?

I will stop posting here when I have nothing more to say on the topic and I no longer see posts I want to respond to.

I assume that other rational people will stop posting for similar reasons.

But so long as people post meaningless posts, that really don't contribute, posting will continue. Hopefully you'll figure it out.

[Crollo]

When will we stop posting here?

Did you just downvote Darken simply because he posted and bumped the topic?

[DJ Vinyl Scratch]

When will we stop posting here?

Did you just downvote Darken simply because he posted and bumped the topic?

No, I did not like his idea. Also, you're that same guy who downrated a few posts, I think.

@NPT

We really still have stuff to say? We really do?

[Rusty]

We really still have stuff to say? We really do?

That's why we're still posting, genius.

[Overloaded]

I have an idea.
When we click the rep of a post, we can see who +repped or -repped. I think there should be a "Report" button. People who think that the +1/-1 they were given is unfair, they can press the report button, so the +/-1 could go away (if the moderator agrees). Or if someone has done a mistake and istead of pressing the +1 they pressed the -1 (or the opposite), could PM the guy who has done the mistake to and tell him to report his rep, so in that way the +/-1 could become the opposite. (again if the moderator agrees).

That may downgrade the number of the trolls. I don't know if you agree (propably you won't agree, I know that), but if that happen, I'm gonna love the new -1 button.


So, what do you think?