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[NukeTheCat]

Well, yeah! According to this link: 5 Scientific Reasons a Zombie Apocalypse Could Actually Happen

[The_Montager]

OK, Now for a plan B just in case we can't mass produce robots.

In terms of weapons...

It seems here everyone is agreeing that blunt is better than blade against zombies. I agree. However, if you had a really massive mace, war hammer, sledgehammer, etc. that is only good against a few zombies, not an entire horde as it takes up way to much energy to swing a weapon enough times to take out lots of zombies. If you intend to avoid zombies and only use it in emergencies, you would have a hard time carrying a 30 pound sledgehammer or whatever blunt you have(unless you are super fit). I would say use something relatively hard and light like a metal baseball bat.
Also everyone says that pumping lead into a zombie is not a good idea. That is true. That doesn't mean that guns are entirely useless. You could use the gun butt to smash zombies if you have no other weapon.
Explosives are never a good idea. even if you blast zombies apart, it doesn't mean what is left of a blown-up zombie is going to crawl up to you and bite you in the leg.


Some theories...

Would a riot shield be a good weapon? I mean unless zombies could wield guns, then it is highly unlikely they could break one. If a zombie gets too close, then you could shove it away. Or if you have a one-handed weapon, then use it. The only con I can think of is if a zombie attacked you from behind.

Another theory, smoke grenades. Could you use them to get past a tight spot through lots of zombies (e.g. a mall filled with infected).

Now, the Molotov. It is used in games but is it really that effective? I mean you could set fire to the whole building by using one.

Last but not least, Are tasers a really good weapon? Because I don't think that zombies are going to halt in their tracks if you send electric shocks at them.(I thought they were only used for things that have electromagnetic pulses, like living things, things with a heart in particular. Isn't that why people that die of tasers die because of heart attacks/cardiac arrest? But then I'm not sure if zombies have a functional heart or not)

Anyway, respond to my theories please.

[DJDazstar]

I wouldn't say a zombie crisis, because zombies come back from the dead, and these people don't seem to be that brain dead. But those psychos off The Crazies... Well, that makes more sense

[NukeTheCat]

Some theories...

1- Would a riot shield be a good weapon? I mean unless zombies could wield guns, then it is highly unlikely they could break one. If a zombie gets too close, then you could shove it away. Or if you have a one-handed weapon, then use it. The only con I can think of is if a zombie attacked you from behind.

2- Another theory, smoke grenades. Could you use them to get past a tight spot through lots of zombies (e.g. a mall filled with infected).

Now, the Molotov. It is used in games but is it really that effective? I mean you could set fire to the whole building by using one.

3- Last but not least, Are tasers a really good weapon? Because I don't think that zombies are going to halt in their tracks if you send electric shocks at them.(I thought they were only used for things that have electromagnetic pulses, like living things, things with a heart in particular. Isn't that why people that die of tasers die because of heart attacks/cardiac arrest? But then I'm not sure if zombies have a functional heart or not)

Anyway, respond to my theories please.

1- Uh, yeah I think so. But you need a whole bunch of shield if you don't want a zombie to do a curve bite.

2- Bad idea, if you throw a smoke grenade in a zombie-filled room, the only person its blinding is you. Plus you need alot to blind a zombie (that's why in riot they throw more than one) Also why would we be going to a mall?

3- No. Tasers do two things, immobilize and inflict pain (which is a bad technique for zombies since they don't feel pain) . Tasers rarely kill people (thats why the taser accidents are well known because it isn't common)
Also despite many movies, unless the taser is powerful enough, it won't zap many at once. And if it was powerful enough, it would zap you to.

[Super Guy]

Would throwing a flash-bang at the zombies help?

Edited by Super Guy, 10 June 2012 - 10:32 AM.

[NukeTheCat]

You mean a stun grenade? No. Only things that kill are effective. But maybe a real bomb grenade might do the trick.

[Dr. Pik]

Well, let's look at the science behind zombies for just a minute. If we have a zombie that can't feel pain, we have to assume that their nerves don't work, or some part of their brain that recieves that message doesn't work. That doesn't mean their body can't react to pain, though. For example, if you touch the flame of a lit candle (or any flame, really), what happens is, your body gives its knee-jerk reaction to pull away and then you feel pain. So are we assuming that a zombie's knee-jerk reactions are also not in place? If they were, it could cause for different tactics when fighting them. A zombie that can't feel pain still can't walk into a large fire. Their body won't let them, unless their nerves themselves are nonfunctional.
Then we have to look at the heart. I have to assume it's working, since if it isn't, ignoring everything else, eventually they would run out of blood just from little cuts they don't try to avoid. That would make it rather hard to move, or even stand, which may explain their zombie-like movements. That would also mean they can't heal from wounds, which makes sense and fits with them. A small cut could get easily aggravated and eventually lead to a massive loss of flesh. But then we take into account that if we assume the heart isn't working, we must assume none of the other organs work, especially without any of that blood to get oxygen to where it needs to go. Even if there was something keeping the brain working, the eyes and ears wouldn't do anything, and the zombie would essentially have no senses. It's especially considerable since they supposedly can't feel anyway. Why just the one sense that makes it harder to kill them?

I have to assume that their heart and nerves are functional, as well as every other organ (regardless of whether they feel pain). That would be the only way they could still function. Therefore, zombies must be as mortal as humans.

[NukeTheCat]

Well, let's look at the science behind zombies for just a minute. If we have a zombie that can't feel pain, we have to assume that their nerves don't work, or some part of their brain that recieves that message doesn't work. That doesn't mean their body can't react to pain, though. For example, if you touch the flame of a lit candle (or any flame, really), what happens is, your body gives its knee-jerk reaction to pull away and then you feel pain. So are we assuming that a zombie's knee-jerk reactions are also not in place? If they were, it could cause for different tactics when fighting them. A zombie that can't feel pain still can't walk into a large fire. Their body won't let them, unless their nerves themselves are nonfunctional.
Then we have to look at the heart. I have to assume it's working, since if it isn't, ignoring everything else, eventually they would run out of blood just from little cuts they don't try to avoid. That would make it rather hard to move, or even stand, which may explain their zombie-like movements. That would also mean they can't heal from wounds, which makes sense and fits with them. A small cut could get easily aggravated and eventually lead to a massive loss of flesh. But then we take into account that if we assume the heart isn't working, we must assume none of the other organs work, especially without any of that blood to get oxygen to where it needs to go. Even if there was something keeping the brain working, the eyes and ears wouldn't do anything, and the zombie would essentially have no senses. It's especially considerable since they supposedly can't feel anyway. Why just the one sense that makes it harder to kill them?

I have to assume that their heart and nerves are functional, as well as every other organ (regardless of whether they feel pain). That would be the only way they could still function. Therefore, zombies must be as mortal as humans.

By right zombies shouldn't even have blood 'cause they don't breath. Zombies are the act of something supernatural (or something really scientific, those zombies are the opposite of supernatural zombie)

EDIT:
I read in the news, that the Miami Zombie's girlfriend felt safe around him; he didn't drink, doesn't take drugs and he goes to church, and he's only offence is smoking. She says he might have been drugged against his will.
Police haven't confirmed it yet, but if its true that means there are people on the loose that uses drug to turn people to zombies!

Edited by Jlm07, 11 June 2012 - 05:29 AM.

[kloust]

Well obviously I wouldn't be able to craft a real katana, but I figure I could make a blade sharp enough with a normal hammer, a normal oven, and some aluminium. Sharp enough to use in an emergency, at least, and maybe cut off a few arms/hands.

lol - my dad cut his wedding cake with a katana. He kept it, and we still have it at my house

We have a cabin quite a lot further north (I live in canada) ; we'd probably just buy 6 months worth of beans, and hide out there

There's also this strange sword shop near my house ... they have hundreds of daggers, claymores, curved swords, double bladed swords, etc on display - no joke! And they're legit too - you could chop down a small tree easily with one of those

Edited by kloust, 12 June 2012 - 03:24 AM.

[NukeTheCat]

Cool! I would definitely wield a katana for cake slicing! Zombies, ingaaaaa....
What do you guys think of a wheat harvester as a weapon? It's like a blade of doom!

[GRS9790]

Is it a bloodborne virus? Personally, I find all of this talk of swords and melee to be ridiculous. You will get very tired very quickly, the blade will become dull, you are probably not even a sword fighter, and you are going to get plastered with blood and guts with who knows what deadly stuff in it. I'll stick to stealth and my guns if need be. A good close-up weapon is a good idea, relying on one is dumb.

[ImmortalMan]

1. Hide out in playboy mansion
2. Convince playmate to help repopulate the earth with me
3. ???
4. Profit

...

What?

By right zombies shouldn't even have blood 'cause they don't breath. Zombies are the act of something supernatural (or something really scientific, those zombies are the opposite of supernatural zombie)

Wait, if they don't eat anything they should drop dead in 3-4 days right? So the best way to end the apocalypse is to not get eaten! Genius XD!

[NukeTheCat]

Wait, if they don't eat anything they should drop dead in 3-4 days right? So the best way to end the apocalypse is to not get eaten! Genius XD!

Yeah! Since zombies rely on food as energy, the best strategy is to not be eaten. Unless they start to eat plants then...

Is it a bloodborne virus? Personally, I find all of this talk of swords and melee to be ridiculous. You will get very tired very quickly, the blade will become dull, you are probably not even a sword fighter, and you are going to get plastered with blood and guts with who knows what deadly stuff in it. I'll stick to stealth and my guns if need be. A good close-up weapon is a good idea, relying on one is dumb.

Don't stick to guns. The loud bangs can attract more zombies (or even people). Also shooting requires aiming and shooting at the wrong area will cost ammo. In fact, the reason we're using swords is because it doesn't need ammo.
P.S. Dull blades are good because it deal a larger surface damage and can break bones.

Edited by Jlm07, 13 June 2012 - 04:45 AM.

[GRS9790]

I'll take a loud bang and fast movement over getting up close with something so infectious. Never said I'd shoot everything I see. Hell, I wouldn't even actively fight them. Get in close and you will get surrounded so much easier and they will be able to get you too at that range. If there are enough around to swarm you over a gunshot, you should not be fighting them, especially up close. Unless you are a samurai, know how to use a sword, and can run like hell when you realize you are in too deep, sticking to melee only will be a pretty poor choice.

More specific reasoning is where I'm at, there is a lot of unpopulated land; hills, and forests. The zombies can have fun trying to track the shot all they want. The terrain will bounce the sound around like a super-ball and I can see them coming a mile away. Also, suppressors are not very hard to get legally (unless you live in one of those "guns am bad" places) and could help throw them off even more, but I wouldn't suggest relying on those either. Stand between two buildings someday and have someone walk around the other sides bouncing a basketball. Sound waves bounce, it'll sound like they are around the corner to the left when in reality it is the very opposite. And if the zombies are smart enough to know that, then we are just screwed either way. But enough with all this lame science stuff, in a nutshell, I'd all about planning, having escape routes, and NOT getting close to the zombies or attracting attention, but being able to hit them before they even get close to me if it comes to that.

Only problem is ammo, but thats what reloading and stockpiling is for. If you are in danger of running out, you are doing it wrong.

Edited by GRS9790, 13 June 2012 - 06:20 PM.

[shinyjiggly]

I know the perfect way to defeat the zombies:
Ignore them.
Eventually they'll get bored and drop dead... or something like that.

I never have understood the popular fascination of the prospect of hunting down the masses of the undead.

How deadly can a reanimated cadaver really get? I think if they were even the least bit real, there wouldn't be any particularly fast or strong ones, or any other special flavors designed to be incredibly dangerous. If worse came to worse, likely a sturdy blunt object (like a 2x4 or a baseball bat) would be enough to push and prod them out of the way.

Though if a brand of super-zombies comes to my house to rip my head off and infect everyone that I know and love, consider me royally screwed.

[GRS9790]

Well yes, in reality a rotting undead corpse wouldn't be a tough opponent, but that doesn't make for fun discussion.

[Dr. Pik]

Well, thinking about it, melee weapons aren't a bad idea when you're against a small amount of zombies. Especially something like a metal bat would be really helpful. But you also have to take into account that if you're gonna be really close to all of them, you're in a lot more danger. If you're surrounded, (chances are, you're screwed anyway) a melee weapon won't work very well, since you can only really hit one at a time, and with a gun, you could potentially wound them to slow them down while they're still far away. Zombies are only particularly a threat in numbers, obviously, so the idea of using melee weapons doesn't really work. Of course, it's very handy to have them, as either a last resort or to conserve ammo when there are only a few zombies.

On the other hand, what would be more helpful would be to have food with you. No doubt if the disease, in the event that it is that, passes through blood, it also passes through saliva or any other bodily fluid (take, for example, that a bite puts saliva in your blood). Therefore, a zombie drools and leaves in its path a dangerous line of potential infection. To survive in a zombie-infested world, the hard part isn't fighting the actual zombies, it's getting clean food or avoiding other ways of infection. A simple toilet could potentially zombify you. Cooking your food would be extremely important. I feel like the best way to survive in this world would be to stay in your house, stay invisible, and avoid any interaction with anything.

[NukeTheCat]

More specific reasoning is where I'm at, there is a lot of unpopulated land; hills, and forests. The zombies can have fun trying to track the shot all they want. The terrain will bounce the sound around like a super-ball and I can see them coming a mile away. Also, suppressors are not very hard to get legally (unless you live in one of those "guns am bad" places) and could help throw them off even more, but I wouldn't suggest relying on those either. Stand between two buildings someday and have someone walk around the other sides bouncing a basketball. Sound waves bounce, it'll sound like they are around the corner to the left when in reality it is the very opposite. And if the zombies are smart enough to know that, then we are just screwed either way. But enough with all this lame science stuff, in a nutshell, I'd all about planning, having escape routes, and NOT getting close to the zombies or attracting attention, but being able to hit them before they even get close to me if it comes to that.

You know, you might as well take a bulldozer or a steamroller and hit all of them. Also you need training to handle a gun and most guns can take out only one at a time. And don't worry about the sound, it doesn't just affect where the gun is facing but all around in an area that means behind, left and right and might bounce to the exit. And I don't think most zombie would go to a forest cause it isn't a rural area.

On the other hand, what would be more helpful would be to have food with you. No doubt if the disease, in the event that it is that, passes through blood, it also passes through saliva or any other bodily fluid (take, for example, that a bite puts saliva in your blood). Therefore, a zombie drools and leaves in its path a dangerous line of potential infection. To survive in a zombie-infested world, the hard part isn't fighting the actual zombies, it's getting clean food or avoiding other ways of infection. A simple toilet could potentially zombify you. Cooking your food would be extremely important. I feel like the best way to survive in this world would be to stay in your house, stay invisible, and avoid any interaction with anything.

Staying at home is the best strategy what-so-ever. Also biting is a terrible way to spread infection that is why nearly all dogs don't have rabies. So humanity = win

[GRS9790]

You know, you might as well take a bulldozer or a steamroller and hit all of them. Also you need training to handle a gun and most guns can take out only one at a time. And don't worry about the sound, it doesn't just affect where the gun is facing but all around in an area that means behind, left and right and might bounce to the exit. And I don't think most zombie would go to a forest cause it isn't a rural area.

I don't get the bulldozer thing.

I've been shooting guns of all kinds for a long time, I know how to use them. It's all about practice, and I do that quite often. Contrary to popular belief, you really don't need training to use a gun; only for the how, like safety, grip, stance, proper trigger pull, etc. All of that you can learn without "training" too. Practice is the key. Plus a sword can only take out one at a time too. This isn't L4D2. May as well do it from a safe distance.

I don't get the point of the sound comment either. I know how sound travels.

And I don't get the last comment either but if you mean what I think you mean, then it's a win for me because I don't have to shoot and my plan worked.

Edited by GRS9790, 14 June 2012 - 01:23 PM.

[kloust]

... Also, suppressors are not very hard to get legally (unless you live in one of those "guns am bad" places) ...

Surprisingly enough, riots are pretty easily put down, and we don't have that many shooting rampages here in Canada ... wonder why

Edited by kloust, 14 June 2012 - 08:09 PM.