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[Kenzu]

I bought the Gamemaker 8 about a year ago, and now upgraded to 8.1. I read on some other thread that someone who still has gamemaker 7 with registration key cannot install it now as it's no longer supported.

Currently Gamemaker 8.1 needs internet access to enable all features (by activating it). Obviously sometimes windows needs reinstalling, and thus all programs need reinstalling too. What I need to know is if in say 10 years I will still be able to use the full 8.1 Gamemaker even if Yoyogames might have Gamemaker 10 by then. Will I be forever able to register my Gamemaker 8.1?

I know you might be able to upgrade your Gamemaker games for free sometimes, but what if I miss the deadline, like other people? I bought the program and I would like to know I can use it forever. Can I rely on Yoyogames to make sure that I can use this program even in the far future?

Edited by Kenzu, 20 March 2012 - 05:04 PM.

[NakedPaulToast]

Who exactly do you think is capable of answering this?

[Kenzu]

I hope admin or one of the moderators can.

All it takes to keep this working is for yoyogames to make sure that gamemaker can connect to them even if its installed in 10 years. It shouldn't be a problem if you ask me.
Also, since it's not possible to register old versions, I assume one day you cannot register 8.1. If it is so, I hope Yoyogames will solve this and allow people to register their versions.

[needsfoodbadly]

You can't fully install older versions of GM since they're tied to online registration that no longer lets you register...

That's a deliberate case of planned obselence.

And people in the software industry can't fathom why people pirate software.

And just fyi I own a registered license for GMHtml5.

[chance]

I bought the program and I would like to know I can use it forever. Can I rely on Yoyogames to make sure that I can use this program even in the far future?

You can use it indefinitely... but you can't rely of YoYoGames to help you with old versions "forever". It's silly to expect that. It makes no economic sense for YoYoGames to support old versions past a certain point.

I still have registered versions of GM6, 7, and 8. They all work fine. Of course, if I re-format my HD, or buy a new computer, I can't re-register those old versions.

That's a deliberate case of planned obselence.

And people in the software industry can't fathom why people pirate software.

That reasoning defies common sense. You're suggesting piracy occurs because the software industry doesn't support out-of-date software?

Most piracy targets the latest software, because that's where the demand is. Not antiquated, unsupported versions. (The one exception is Windows ME in China.)

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Edited by chance, 20 March 2012 - 10:12 PM.

[needsfoodbadly]

That's a deliberate case of planned obselence.

And people in the software industry can't fathom why people pirate software.

That reasoning defies common sense. You're suggesting piracy occurs because the software industry doesn't support out-of-date software?

Most piracy targets the latest software, because that's where the demand is. Not antiquated, unsupported versions. (The one exception is Windows ME in China.)

You'd be surprised. The majority of software pirates deliberately pirate simply for the sake of free software yes but, there are times when I've had to get fixes/cracks for games that I physically own both disc and serial key in perfect condition, that I literally just bought at the store because some "Gold Edition" was bugged right out of the box and the game company was less than supportive.

Just a couple examples off the top of my head:
Neverwinter Nights 2 Gold Edition: Released a year or more after NWN2 and...the first quest was bugged and impassable. Atari...who woulda thunk?

X2 Reunion: Physical discs missing necessary files to play the game

I had to get fixes for these from third party sites definitely not supported by the developer because...the developers were definitely not supporting their customers.

They eventually pulled their heads out of their rears but the whole process was like pulling teeth.

I've had an infinite amount of troubles due to game discs and serial keys and registration servers.

It's not always the developers that are to blame though. I've been to retail shops carrying games that were no longer supported such as the original All Points Bulletin (not APB: Reloaded). The original game box is less functional than a paperweight. The game and servers are both discontinued so once you install the game...you can't update it and you can't play it (it's an online only game). You literally can't do anything with it. I think I was at a Gamestop and I told the clerks hey, you're selling a 30 dollar drink coaster and they wouldn't even take it off the shelf!

I've got computer games from the 1980s, 1990s, etc. that still work fine albeit the older ones need DosBox or something to run.

I've got much newer games that are unplayable because developers decided to tie their registration to online servers and then once they got X amount of dollars out of their customers, stopped giving a crap about both the game/software and customers.

My only point is people want to be assured that when they purchase a piece of software that they truly own it and that they don't have to rely on some company's whim to stop allowing customers to use online registration.

The major problem with these intrusive and restrictive DRM and registration type systems is they don't punish the pirates. It's been proven time after time the people they really punish is the actual paying customers.

[NakedPaulToast]

I still have registered versions of GM6, 7, and 8. They all work fine. Of course, if I re-format my HD, or buy a new computer, I can't re-register those old versions.

Why can't you register them?

GM6 doesn't require an authentication database.
GM7 is still being supported by Softwrap, there has been nothing posted about them no longer honouring registrations.
The same is true for GM8.

C'mon Chance I expected more from you. Some guy starts a topic, because he "read" that some other guy couldn't register a copy of GM7. You know how this place works, people make up crap, people misinterpret crap, people spread crap. People believe all the crap.

YYGs no longer supports GM7, this means they are no longer fixing bugs or even distributing it. Softwrap is a completely different entity responsible for registering it. Maybe Softwrap has discontinued honouring registrations, but until I see credible evidence confirming this I'm not going to further propagate that GM 7 or 8's Softwrap registration codes are no longer being honoured.

And FWIW I don't agree with external servers to authenticate purchased software. So long as you possess the software and have a computer and OS capable of running that software you should be able to run that software.

Creating a topic, asking for the company to promise that the software will run 10 years from now is just silly.

[chance]

C'mon Chance...
...people make up crap, people misinterpret crap, people spread crap. People believe all the crap.

aw... crap. You got me.

I wanted to assure the OP that older versions don't "expire" just because YYG moves on to newer versions. But at the same time, to warn him he should not automatically expect to "rely on Yoyogames to make sure that [he] can use this program even in the far future"

But my examples with GM6, 7 and 8 were incorrect. So thanks for clarifying.

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Edited by chance, 21 March 2012 - 10:58 AM.

[Cpt Chuckles]

well here's my question and i hope i'm not bumping here... does anyone know if KEYS used to register older versions will unlock newer versions? i'm pretty sure the answer is yes but if we're asking the question anyway i figure that's more important. it'd be pretty ridiculous to have to pay a $40 license fee to unlock every version.

[NakedPaulToast]

well here's my question and i hope i'm not bumping here... does anyone know if KEYS used to register older versions will unlock newer versions? i'm pretty sure the answer is yes but if we're asking the question anyway i figure that's more important. it'd be pretty ridiculous to have to pay a $40 license fee to unlock every version.

GM 7 keys will only unlock GM 7.
GM 8.0 keys will only unlock GM 8.0 NOT 8.1, but you can use your 8.0 Softwrap key to get an 8.1 key.
GM 8.1x keys will unlock any GM 8.1x.

And no you're not bumping you're hijacking somebody else's topic.

Edited by NakedPaulToast, 28 March 2012 - 05:30 PM.

[Mike.Dailly]

.....it'd be pretty ridiculous to have to pay a $40 license fee to unlock every version.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.................... *sigh*.

Thanks, I needed that. I'll be sure to pass this onto the Microsoft Windows team.