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#51 =(:5/7A!I:)=

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 10:12 AM

Uh oh... off your meds again?

How many times have I told you: the blue pill every three hours. And the red one whenever you feel like... you know.

Hi Chance,
I might be ready to make the jump to your reality, or I could learn to control myself with the blue pill. With that said, am I really causing any harm expressing myself? Anyway, I took your pills and changed them about a bit. Now I've made a green pill for my own satisfaction. Care to try?

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 11:19 AM

I personally think that the lack of moderators in GIaD isn't that bad... it's the lack of good posts. I've done my weekly skim-n-replying and half of the topics I didn't notice last week were quite short and hadn't much interesting stuff to discuss. Except a few ones with huge I'm-gonna-have-these-features text dumps that didn't leave any room for discussing.

Perhaps I've just gotten so old that I get nostalgic and say "They don't make them like they used to do anymore!" about everything, but it feels we had better topics before.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 11:41 AM

I personally think that the lack of moderators in GIaD isn't that bad... it's the lack of good posts.

Sadly, that's true. And stricter moderation won't necessarily solve that -- it'll just remove those bad topics.

That's why I favor a looser, more "member-moderated" approach like we have now. When bad topics show up, the members themselves push the OP into supplying more detail and actually creating a design. So instead of just having a closed topic, it's a learning experience for the OP (and others).

Of course, this doesn't always work. Some topics are just a waste and should be closed by a moderator. But many bad topics can evolve into something interesting, when the right members participate.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 07:00 PM

The "member-moderated" approach you talk about chance, at least from my perspective, came about when I realised that there were simply too many topics that broke or bended the rules, and too little moderating presence to do anything about them - in this situation I tried to advise the OP on how they could refigure their topic to better serve their intentions and those of the forum.

It's a learning experience, but it's also quite tiring work sometimes, and it would be more persuasive coming from a moderator. I sometimes find that a decent request for more information etc., which I'm basing on past experience and good intentions, is ignored or retorted by a member who doesn't understand or isn't willing to understand what is the right and wrong type of topic. This is not a common response, but it does happen, unfortunately.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 07:09 PM

Perhaps I've just gotten so old that I get nostalgic and say "They don't make them like they used to do anymore!" about everything, but it feels we had better topics before.

This.

The GI&D forum has been my little pet since before I was in high school... so that's what, 7-8 years? And its been decreasing in quality it seems. The first year was me just seeing what type of discussion the forum could facilitate, and then I began to have a very clear image of what the forums should have been, and trying to nudge it in that direction. Sadly, just moderating isn't enough-- to get it there, we need members who actually participate in the topics and try to steer topics in the right

The vision for the forum is totally different from what it is now, and that's pretty sad. I was thinking it could be used for topics like this:
1. Topics about general game design theory/concepts: I wrote a topic about talking about how multiplayer games often try to level the playing field between more inexperienced players and pros (like the blue shell in Mario Kart), and I was trying to facilitate a discussion on what worked, what didn't, and talking about the merits of having a system to level the playing field.
2. Topics about asking for specific feedback on a game concept/story: Let's say for instance, I have a unique game mechanic (let's say, a fighting system for an RPG), but there's an issue with the mechanics or something. You try to describe it, and ask for ways to fix it up.

Sadly, the forum has been used consistently for "Hey, here's my game idea, my story.... do you like it? is it good?" It doesn't facilitate discussion!
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 08:59 PM

Heh, maybe we should make a thread "what to do about GI&D". I don't think "degenerate" threads are quite so bad for GI&D, though, that's not even why I made the thread (spam/illegal posts was). People asking questions about problems regarding their game does happen, and there's not enough bad threads to just drown them out and shove them out of view. Besides, regulars of GI&D know the signs pretty well:

Wall of text in OP = ignore/poke mild fun of/try and coax specifics

Nondescript title/"What do you" in the title = don't even read

At worst all they do is give GI&D a bad name. TBH I think a lot of these thread posts stem from the fact that GMC doesn't have an "off-topic" or similar forum. Ideally, people without constructive questions won't post them, but as we all know they will instead find the most apt forum and post it there. This almost always happens to be GI&D. Besides, is "Is my game idea good?" so bad a question? If your game is so bad nobody likes it, at least we may get saved a really bad game in WIP and save them a few dozen hours :whistle: Would the thread probably belong better in another sub-forum? Well probably, except not really since there's no garbage dump forum here.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 09:29 PM

It's a learning experience, but it's also quite tiring work sometimes, and it would be more persuasive coming from a moderator.

I agree completely. Moderators would be useful there. I'm just saying that helping to guide salvageable topics back on track can be anyone's job -- not just a moderator's. And either way, it's often better than closing topics.



Sadly, the forum has been used consistently for "Hey, here's my game idea, my story.... do you like it? is it good?" It doesn't facilitate discussion!

True. But even when authors don't ask for help with one specific area, members are quick to identify problem areas and offer suggestions.

So it boils down to whether authors actually say that magic phrase "I could use help with improving [insert area]". It doesn't really change the outcome of the topic.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 10:33 PM

I've been working on design documents for different parts of Myriad Online, would I be able to post those in Game & Design to get feedback? I would now, but there might end up being quite a few and I feel like they would deserve their owner topic as some go quite in depth.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 11:10 PM

Edit:Yeah people used to always just make a giant sister thread for their WIP game in GI&D. Not sure why that fell out of fashion really.

Edited by greep, 28 March 2012 - 12:26 AM.

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 12:42 AM

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NO. I am not sorry for what I did.

What about the last time you made a topic. That was an evil occasion, wasn't it? There was oh no consent there was there?

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 03:05 AM

Edit:Yeah people used to always just make a giant sister thread for their WIP game in GI&D. Not sure why that fell out of fashion really.


At least that would be more interesting than most of the posts currently in that forum. I haven't posted there for so long.
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Posted 28 March 2012 - 03:40 AM

It certainly helped contain all the million dirkels threads into one thread at least :whistle:
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Posted 28 March 2012 - 10:54 AM

I've been working on design documents for different parts of Myriad Online, would I be able to post those in Game & Design to get feedback?

Not my call... but as long as it's not an exact duplicate of a WIP/Creations topic, it seems fine to me. Otherwise, I'd hate to see GI&D used to just "advertise" existing games.

If someone's expanding/revising an existing game, then having a second topic in GI&D seems fair enough. That exposes it to the right audience for discussing detailed design changes -- which you don't really get from comments in Creations/WIP.
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Posted 28 March 2012 - 11:20 AM

I've been working on design documents for different parts of Myriad Online, would I be able to post those in Game & Design to get feedback?.

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Of course you can post them if you want feedback!



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#65 True Valhalla

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 12:24 PM

Alright well I'll give it a go when I finalize a few more of the system designs.
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Posted 31 March 2012 - 07:04 AM


I moderate without posting. I often don't have much to say on the GMC, and I don't feel the need to come up with something to say just to say something.

Try harder. The Math and Programming forum could use your input. Seriously, you have interesting things to offer there. Even commenting on topics you don't find that important would add a boost.


Noted. :wub:
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Posted 14 April 2012 - 04:44 AM

Hi everyone,

I'm just posting to announce that this topic has been made redundant until it needs to be revived when some people decide that more mods are needed.
Thankyou for reading this announcement.

And that ends this topic.

I'm important.

Oh, and one more thing. I am a new member. I am also important, so I would like to welcome Yal as a new moderator on my forums. Let me now tell you all that Yal may be suitable as a moderator but failed to greet me in a proper manner. Yal referred to me as a new guy and then said my idea was horrible.

@... that new guy:
Hmm... the whole "choose" scenario... I don't really like it. I sorta want the mini-game to be the same each time. If I'm gonna have an "up for grabs" mini-game, it's simply a "Choose Your Gift" mini-game like in Super Mario 3.


So I offer you the chance to apologize for your misconduct and welcome a new important member to the GMC. It means I would be giving you the power to end this topic.
Mods should be warm and friendly and stuff...
Well you know we're filthy Humans, we can't just be a couple of adjectives now can we?

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 05:08 AM

Don't know if troll or...

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 10:44 AM

So I offer you the chance to apologize for your misconduct and welcome a new important member to the GMC. It means I would be giving you the power to end this topic.
Mods should be warm and friendly and stuff...
Well you know we're filthy Humans, we can't just be a couple of adjectives now can we?


Lol! Welcome to the GMC and be thankful that you are a wonderful and apreciated new member or you'd probably be banned by now! Posted Image

Mods are PEOPLE who dedicate there free time (what little of it they have) to help out on these busy forums, and as such they all have their own personality and way of dealing with things... some are more abrupt than others, some are cheekier than others, some are sarcastic etc etc etc... Just like the members of the forum itself! So just be thankfull that you got a reply and that it was from someone who actually knows what they are talking about.


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Posted 14 April 2012 - 10:57 AM

I'm just posting to announce that this topic has been made redundant until it needs to be revived when some people decide that more mods are needed.

Redundancy never stopped us from discussing anything.

But glad to see our new moderator in Game Design. Yal's always participated there, but now her "suggestions" about following the rules carry a bit more weight.
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Posted 14 April 2012 - 11:04 AM


I'm just posting to announce that this topic has been made redundant until it needs to be revived when some people decide that more mods are needed.

Redundancy never stopped us from discussing anything.


If anything it's a rather strong catalyst, it would seem.
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Posted 14 April 2012 - 06:16 PM

Redundancy never stopped us from discussing anything.

I announced the redundancy, you rejoiced in it. Glad to be of service and surely what I said still remains true, make of it what you will indeed.

If anything it's a rather strong catalyst, it would seem.

Discussion for the sake of discussion. Discussion a catalyst for discussion? That sounds rather redundant, I agree.

they all have their own personality and way of dealing with things...

Of course they do, but it can become overwhelming getting to know 50 variations of the same word or derogation.

Thanks for your welcome.
And you broke my seal on this topic. I have handled it well though so I deserve a +1. :)

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 07:55 PM

Redundancy never stopped us from discussing anything.

I announced the redundancy, you rejoiced in it.

I don't rejoice in anything. But I ridicule solemnity. I am no friend of gravity -- that quality only excites my mockery.



Yal referred to me as a new guy and then said my idea was horrible.

Hey, wear it as a badge of honor! :tongue: At least she felt your idea was worth a comment.
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 12:48 AM

I don't rejoice in anything. But I ridicule solemnity. I am no friend of gravity -- that quality only excites my mockery.

A mockery is always more of a choice than it is an unwanted product of unfocused gravity. If your response wasn't particularly conscious, this debate is unecessary as I must already possess more thoughtful logic.

Hey, wear it as a badge of honor! :tongue: At least she felt your idea was worth a comment.

I think you are suggesting I may never receive a future comment from her. Honestly, I don't wear badges that represent wasted efforts. I also don't collect badges as that reduces the value. My own conquests are my decisions, nobody elses.

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 01:29 AM

I don't understand anything you're saying. You can wear that as a badge of honor.
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 04:05 AM

@... over sensitive dishonest new guy
You chose a silly untypeable username, then get all whiny because people don't feel like typing it or cutting and pasting it. Don't like it, too bad. And no, she never said your idea was horrible.
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 09:48 PM

NakedPaulToast,

Do you really expect me to take what you say for face value? You're just saying bad things, you aren't proving anything. Sorry for over reacting to your words which were, in reality, meant to be meaningless.
Did I mention that names don't have to be easy to write. It is a form of identification, I have done nothing wrong. People who feel pained to accomodate new characters are oversensitive. And, sure.. sure I know I was exaggerating about the idea I suggested. Of course she didn't say that really.

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 10:03 PM

I'm still very confused. :unsure:
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 10:09 PM

Speaking of moderators for the Game Design Forum (remember that? It's the subject of this topic.) I just realized that Dangerous_Dave is listed as a moderator there. Stupid me... I never bothered to check after the latest moderator induction. That's great.

But D_D, why haven't you posted anything? There's some interesting discussion underway. Join us. :smile:
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 10:44 PM

The new mods have only just been assigned our specific forums :)
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 11:26 PM

I just realized that Dangerous_Dave is listed as a moderator there.


The new mods have only just been assigned our specific forums :)

Ah, that explains why I didn't notice until now.

Just curious: did you guys pick your forum assignments?

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 11:44 PM

Just curious: did you guys pick your forum assignments?


For the most part, yes. Several were initially selected as candidates for specific forums, and I think they all agreed they were good matches that they already had them in mind for themselves. Beyond that, wherever they volunteered, they were assigned. Some prodding was needed for a couple of forums that were coming up short, and some more may be required. But we've got a lot of active global moderators now to help fill in the gaps too.

The new moderators have been eager to take on their assignments, but it took a little longer than I would have liked for me to finalize them. Restaffing is always very time-consuming, especially with so many transitions (around 25 in all, I think).

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 06:53 AM

But D_D, why haven't you posted anything? There's some interesting discussion underway. Join us. :smile:


He's the strong silent type...
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