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[chance]

@icuurd12b42 He is not offensive at all.

Who said anything about icuurd being offensive? Incoherent at times... but not offensive.

Under CISPA, privacy is gone.... I'm pretty sure privacy died with the commercialization of the Internet.

Government cyber-intelligence information sharing, and "commercial" information sharing are both related to privacy. But they're pretty far apart on the spectrum of what I worry about.

Personally, I don't worry if Walmart tracks my online purchases. And even if a company tries to track purchases outside their own site, it's easy to prevent.

But I'd worry about CISPA if it becomes too broad -- like... now, maybe. Most people would support CISPA-type provisions for certain types of transactions with manufacturers -- like if someone in Manhattan buys 2 tons of ammonium-nitrate fertilizer. But if my browsing habits include a middle-east charity affiliated with HAMAS, or a website associated with radical Islam... that shouldn't be a government concern.

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Edited by chance, 01 May 2012 - 12:51 PM.

[Overloaded]

@icuurd12b42 He is not offensive at all.

Who said anything about icuurd being offensive? Incoherent at times... but not offensive.

No I didn't mean that. He posted a video in Spoiler tags and said that the man in the video is offensive and I said that he may say bad words but he is right.

[MasterOfKings]

@icuurd12b42 He is not offensive at all.

Who said anything about icuurd being offensive? Incoherent at times... but not offensive. :tongue:

No I didn't mean that. He posted a video in Spoiler tags and said that the man in the video is offensive and I said that he may say bad words but he is right.

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[Rusty]

I love how everybody is apparently terrified of piracy. It's actually a very simple solution to stopping widespread piracy. Keep things simple. Keep customers happy. It's a shame really that companies are supporting bills to destroy internet freedom and privacy instead of supporting their own customers.

[chance]

It's actually a very simple solution to stopping widespread piracy. Keep things simple. Keep customers happy.

I'd like to see cheaper software and fewer DRM controls... but I doubt that would reduce piracy much.

Oh sure, pirates will claim otherwise. They'll even justify their actions based on "greedy corporations and excessive prices". But they're just shifting the blame for their own unethical behavior.

Piracy arises (mostly) from immoral behavior, laziness and a selfish sense of entitlement. Generally, pirates will steal whatever they can, from whomever they can, regardless of the price. Heck, piracy was even a problem for GameMaker back when it only cost $25 and Mark was the only developer.

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Edited by chance, 01 May 2012 - 05:02 PM.

[Rusty]

It's actually a very simple solution to stopping widespread piracy. Keep things simple. Keep customers happy.

I'd like to see cheaper software and fewer DRM controls... but I doubt that would reduce piracy much.

Oh sure, pirates will claim otherwise. They'll even justify their actions based on "greedy corporations and excessive prices". But they're just shifting the blame for their own unethical behavior. :dry:

Piracy arises (mostly) from immoral behavior, laziness and a selfish sense of entitlement. Generally, pirates will steal whatever they can, from whomever they can, regardless of the price. Heck, piracy was even a problem for GameMaker back when it only cost $25 and Mark was the only developer.

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Yes but it's about the widespread of piracy, you're never going to actually STOP piracy. If you give me the option between two suppliers, one is easy, fast, cheap and safe and the other is harder to find, fast, free and possibly infected, I'll go with option number one everytime.

My main problem with DRM at the moment is with Valve, I'll go to the store, I'll buy a game, I'll install it though Steam and then I'll use pirate cracks to stop Steam loading up everytime I want to play my damn game. If I wasn't into game developing myself, and I didn't know how much work, time and effort goes into making something like that, then honestly, I would have turned to full blown piracy as soon as I discovered Steam was hammering my computer's memory every time I wanted to kill a dragon.

[faissialoo]

http://forums.yoyoga.../3/topics/77473 apparantly the bill has passed due to a sneaky move by the goverment

[chance]

http://forums.yoyogames.com/forums/3/topics/77473 apparantly the bill has passed due to a sneaky move by the goverment

You get your news from the YoYo Games forum? God that's dumb. Here's what actually happened (over a week ago, btw):

"The government" hasn't passed anything related to CISPA. Only the House of Representative voted for it -- largely because it's dominated by Republicans who support it. (Democrats generally do NOT support CISPA.)

President Obama has said many times that he'll veto CISPA unless it's drastically modified to curtail government power. So now CISPA goes to the Senate for modifications and another vote. In its present form, CISPA could not pass the Senate, and would certainly be vetoed if it did.

So it's way too early to say what will happen here.

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Edited by chance, 04 May 2012 - 09:56 AM.

[Darkstar2]

http://forums.yoyogames.com/forums/3/topics/77473 apparantly the bill has passed due to a sneaky move by the goverment

You get your news from the YoYo Games forum? God that's dumb. Here's what actually happened (over a week ago, btw):

"The government" hasn't passed anything related to CISPA. Only the House of Representative voted for it -- largely because it's dominated by Republicans who support it. (Democrats generally do NOT support CISPA.)

President Obama has said many times that he'll veto CISPA unless it's drastically modified to curtail government power. So now CISPA goes to the Senate for modifications and another vote. In its present form, CISPA could not pass the Senate, and would certainly be vetoed if it did.

So it's way too early to say what will happen here.

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This news is quickly followed by a reply:

O_o there will be a day, when we will not be able to open a browser, without get sued by the goverment or something.

Right - why don't they shut down the internet, and require permits and complete investigation for people to use the internet. This is getting out of hand....it might come to that. With the hundreds of millions of internet users I don't think people will let this slide, there will be major protest - don't they have other better priorities in their agenda ? I dunno, the economy ? Jobs ? or are they just too bored.

Anyhow, you can open your browser safely for now if they sue you, you can fight for your rights, what's left of it anyway :D

All this rubbish is only going to hurt good business and good people whilst making much easier for cybercrime. I would even go as far as saying that this will enforce piracy and people will be motivated to find new means to do things "underground".
Is this what we are headed for ?

[faissialoo]

Looks like the government have given pass to something that will allow the government to spy on us!

http://www.bbc.co.uk...litics-18434112

It's similar to soap in my opinion

Edited by faissialoo, 14 June 2012 - 06:06 PM.

[makerofthegames]

I don't mind being spied on. I'm just hipster like that.
EDIT: Wait, I'm not English.

Edited by makerofthegames, 14 June 2012 - 09:29 PM.

[Overloaded]

Fun fact: SOPA in Greek Language means "Be Quiet". Spooky huh?

[makerofthegames]

I don't see what being silent has to do with piracy, but OK. Yeah, terrifying.

[icymx]

He means that the government wants to prohibit free speech - amirite?

[makerofthegames]

Again, not sure what that has to do with piracy, but sure. Free speech is good.

[Overloaded]

SOPA/PIPA/ACTA/CISPA doesn't want us to express our thoughts, so it will be more easy for them to control us. Media are part of the plan too. The only media you can trust is Internet and they want to bring it down now.

[Darkstar2]

Looks like the government have given pass to something that will allow the government to spy on us!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18434112

It's similar to soap in my opinion

It's not quite like soap, not at all.

It would be great to read the article and understand it as it is being blown out of proportion.

People have a misconception that they are safe now on the net and that nothing is monitored. Every ISP keeps
logs of activity - They don't spy or single out a particular person, but they do have logs, they have to, it's always been. This will require a longer time span for the logs that ISPs already had, and about social media, web mail etc, all activity was traceable anyway. When authority needs to trace someone from their e-mail or blog post or social media, they could access that information with the warrant to do so.

So nothing new here, only now it is made public and most people THOUGHT that nothing was logged before when it was all along.

So if you have nothing to hide and not committing a crime online or you are not wanted, then you have nothing to worry about, you should read the article again and see exactly what type of person is targeted. It has nothing to do with silencing people or free speech. I probably now triggered several alarms with key words I used in this post lol !

They can catch more criminals through webmail, social media, etc.... and most people get caught not because of monitoring but because of complaints.

So if you accidently trip the alarm with key words - well no worries, they will come get ya at 6:45 AM whilst you are sleeping or taking a shower (keep your clothes nearby just in case) and you can claim they got the wrong guy ! :D Like I said, if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear. There are bloody creeps roaming the net and so much scams and crime online, sometimes one has to wonder ......

[chance]

So if you have nothing to hide and not committing a crime online or you are not wanted, then you have nothing to worry about...

Throughout history, people have stood by doing nothing, allowing the authorities to grab more power. They thought, "I'm not a criminal. What do I have to fear? "

Then one day, the authorities arrived at their door to take them away.

They objected... but the authorities told them "Don't worry...if you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear. Come with us."

[makerofthegames]

That's fine, because I don't know any of those guys.

[Neon00]

Like I said, if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.

The majority of people have something to hide, even if it is insignificant and perfectly legal. An example is in the move legal blond where the girl won't tell her group of attorneys about what the lady who was being arrested was doing because her career would be ruined and stilled ended up convicting the right person. Nobody would've been sent to jail, she just was getting surgery (that is perfectly legal, but not smart, but legal).

Edited by Neon00, 16 June 2012 - 11:49 AM.