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[makerofthegames]

I choose to interpret your argument as a direct personal attack on myself, how dare you.

[chance]

Look chance...

If you didn't want me to go and fulfill my needs elsewhere, then you should have tried harder with this relationship. This is your fault. Your fault.

Lord knows I tried. But you never call. Or send me flowers.

[Rusty]

Look chance...

If you didn't want me to go and fulfill my needs elsewhere, then you should have tried harder with this relationship. This is your fault. Your fault.

Lord knows I tried. But you never call. Or send me flowers. :sad:

Since we've went miles off topic now anyway... what's up with your signature...? I thought slaver-... err... "Imported brides" was spambot territory. You're walking on thin ice there chance, pretty soon you'll be in a Viagra fuelled drug war and that's a not a sight that the GMC wants to see.

[kikjezrous]

What the... Alright, please lock this topic. It is way too off topic, SOPA is dead, and the only semi-related posts are about the use of copyright. It has been around since 1662, and it's been working since. Why don't we make a topic about that if we must discuss it. REPORTING NOW

[paul23]

Or just keep/go back on topic... That accounts for everyone.

[makerofthegames]

It's an announcement. Does any portion of the staff have any power to close topics here!? Other than admins, obviously.

[chance]

With the demise of US-based SOPA, and the success of the EU-based ACTA bill, there's been lots of discussion about individual country's attempts to address the piracy issue. Canada is re-visiting this with C-11, the Copyright Modernization Act.

Any Canadian members want to comment on this? Is it better than SOPA? Worse/same? Different?

[Rusty]

Imagine, if you will, a world without Wikipedia, a world without Google, a world without sites like YouTube, Flickr, Vimeo, Reddit, even YoYoGames....got that image in your head? Good, read on..

... What?

Edit:
Oh right... spambot...

Edited by Rusty, 07 February 2012 - 11:29 AM.

[icuurd12b42]

With the demise of US-based SOPA, and the success of the EU-based ACTA bill, there's been lots of discussion about individual country's attempts to address the piracy issue. Canada is re-visiting this with C-11, the

Copyright Modernization Act

.

Any Canadian members want to comment on this? Is it better than SOPA? Worse/same? Different?

It's really hard to tell because it's a bunch of amendments to the existing copyright act, without merging the content to relate to what sub section it relates to, so it's hard to go back a forth. One thing's for sure there are way more provision and lea ways to protect both sides and limit damages compared to the US act. If you look as the infringement by a students for example, some guidelines are in place, where as I cant remember seeing guidelines in the US act.


Anyhoo. is it potentially as bad as SOPA?

person implies legal person, so corporations, organizations and people registered in the gov

31.1 (1) A person who, in providing serv- ices related to the operation of the Internet or another digital network, provides any means for the telecommunication or the reproduction of a work or other subject-matter through the Internet or that other network does not, solely by reason of providing those means, infringe copyright in that work or other subject-matter.

Basic protection for the providers, lan/wan admins.

(2.3) It is an infringement of copyright for a person to provide, by means of the Internet or another digital network, a service that the person knows or should have known is designed primarily to enable acts of copyright infringement if an actual infringement of copyright occurs by means of the Internet or another digital network as a result of the use of that service.

a service is the keyword. Would providing a link to the pirate bay considered a service? Would the MegaUpload service be a a service of piracy under these wordings? Possibly but the following words "designed primarily to enable acts" gives a chance for defense.

(2) Subsection (1) does not apply in respect of a service provided by the person if the provision of that service constitutes an infringement of copyright under subsection 27(2.3).

Here goes the provider and admin protection if they designed the service for piracy

(3) Subject to subsection (4), a person referred to in subsection (1) who caches the work or other subject-matter, or does any similar act in relation to it, to make the telecommunication more efficient does not, by virtue of that act alone, infringe copyright in the work or other subject-matter.

Blind content chashing over servers to speed up downloads protections

(5) Subject to subsection (6), a person who, for the purpose of allowing the telecommunication of a work or other subject-matter through the Internet or another digital network, provides digital memory in which another person stores the work or other subject-matter does not, by virtue of that act alone, infringe copyright in the work or other subject-matter.

Finally some good news. If you gave someone the room or your disk or keep his flash card in your place, you are safe...

(6) Subsection (5) does not apply in respect of a work or other subject-matter if the person providing the digital memory knows of a decision of a court of competent jurisdiction to the effect that the person who has stored the work or other subject-matter in the digital memory infringes copyright by making the copy of the work or other subject-matter that is stored or by the way in which he or she uses the work or other subject-matter.

...unless you he knew he was being prosecuted


I don't know. it looks better that the blurb I posted from the SOPA act. 2.3 is really the part that affect regular folks

[Perplexity]

This is off topic and all but, I hate being an american. There's that whole several trillion dollars in debt issue, other countries have faced similar issues in the past and resolved them just fine, if I remember correctly Canada is one of those countries, why doesn't the U.S Government learn from these other countries and take similar action?

Nobody cares about the constitution anymore, which is what made our country great, now that more and more of it is being ignored/dismissed the country is pretty much starting to fail.

Also, how the hell are we supposed to vote for competent people when almost everything they say is a lie?!




The following is more on topic.

Watch this.

This video reveals the truth about SOPA, PIPA, and ACTA. It also shows large amounts of proof that the big media companies are the main source of the tools and such that give you the ability to obtain pirated material.

Edited by Perplexity, 08 February 2012 - 11:08 PM.

[greep]

Also, how the hell are we supposed to vote for competent people when almost everything they say is a lie?!

Well there's ron paul, but we'll see how truth holds up in the republican primaries

[Sirosky]

Also, how the hell are we supposed to vote for competent people when almost everything they say is a lie?!

Well there's ron paul, but we'll see how truth holds up in the republican primaries

Don't even start with that...

[kikjezrous]

You have two parties:

Kill the babies and sell out America, or
Don't kill the babies and sell out America.

Oh well...

[Perplexity]

Just look at this chizz... Obama is just pathetic.

[chance]

With the demise of US-based SOPA, and the success of the EU-based ACTA bill, there's been lots of discussion about individual country's attempts to address the piracy issue. Canada is re-visiting this with C-11, the Copyright Modernization Act.

Any Canadian members want to comment on this? Is it better than SOPA? Worse/same? Different?

It's really hard to tell because it's a bunch of amendments to the existing copyright act, without merging the content to relate to what sub section it relates to, so it's hard to go back a forth. One thing's for sure there are way more provision and lea ways to protect both sides and limit damages compared to the US act.

I've been following the Canadian debate. The protestor rhetoric is pretty scary. Canadians are being told that Bill C-11 could shut down popular websites such as YouTube. And change the internet by sabotaging online freedoms and innovation -- the same as SOPA. It's hard to know what's real... and what's scare tactics.

These group are emboldened by their success over SOPA. It seems like they're trying to intimidate anyone who wants to address piracy. That's not good.

EDIT: by the way, +1 for answering my question. I hope we can have an intelligent discussion, despite the sophomoric posts that followed your answer. Let's keep this on topic.

.

Edited by chance, 09 February 2012 - 12:26 AM.

[greep]

sophomoric posts

Lord knows I tried. But you never call. Or send me flowers.

Lol. To be fair, it's not like it's even possible to remain on topic, unless you guys really think SOPA's going to get ressurected. Not that it really matters, the lowest thread on the forum is last july.

[chance]

To be fair, it's not like it's even possible to remain on topic, unless you guys really think SOPA's going to get ressurected. Not that it really matters, the lowest thread on the forum is last july.

Off-topic jokes aren't the same as evoking baby killing, and bashing the president.

Regarding SOPA's (temporary?) demise, let's discuss the logical follow-on topics: OPEN act, the EU's ACTA bill, and Canada's C-11 Bill. I guarantee the SOPA sponsors are listening to this same discussion.

[Perplexity]

To be fair, it's not like it's even possible to remain on topic, unless you guys really think SOPA's going to get ressurected. Not that it really matters, the lowest thread on the forum is last july.

Off-topic jokes aren't the same as evoking baby killing, and bashing the president.

Regarding SOPA's (temporary?) demise, let's discuss the logical follow-on topics: OPEN act, the EU's ACTA bill, and Canada's C-11 Bill. I guarantee the SOPA sponsors are listening to this same discussion.

Did you even watch that video? It's about ACTA, SOPA, PIPA, and RIAA. I said Obama is pathetic because, if you had watched the video you would know this already, he's working with the RIAA and siding with them when they're going around suing children for a ton of money. He AGREES with the way they're handling the situation. I for one do not and I was expressing my opinion. A ridiculous amount of people are going to be put in jail, and now that Mega Upload has been shut down and Obama and the RIAA have access to all of Mega Upload's records, if you've used Mega Upload to upload and/or download even just one thing illegally I wouldn't be surprised if you get sued for $150,000.

Also, aside from my first post in this thread where I said I was being off topic, all of my posts have been on topic in one form or another. My posts aren't any more off topic than the post you just made.

The demise of SOPA is most definitely temporary, it's obvious that Obama really isn't trying to stop it and he's raking in a ton of cash for working with the RIAA for helping them prosecute people. Think he's going to stop it? Heck no.

What makes my posts seem less intelligent than yours? Please tell me. I was merely sharing information and expressing my opinion.

Edited by Perplexity, 09 February 2012 - 01:33 AM.

[icuurd12b42]

With the demise of US-based SOPA, and the success of the EU-based ACTA bill, there's been lots of discussion about individual country's attempts to address the piracy issue. Canada is re-visiting this with C-11, the Copyright Modernization Act.

Any Canadian members want to comment on this? Is it better than SOPA? Worse/same? Different?

It's really hard to tell because it's a bunch of amendments to the existing copyright act, without merging the content to relate to what sub section it relates to, so it's hard to go back a forth. One thing's for sure there are way more provision and lea ways to protect both sides and limit damages compared to the US act.

I've been following the Canadian debate. The protestor rhetoric is pretty scary. Canadians are being told that Bill C-11 could shut down popular websites such as YouTube. And change the internet by sabotaging online freedoms and innovation -- the same as SOPA. It's hard to know what's real... and what's scare tactics.

These group are emboldened by their success over SOPA. It seems like they're trying to intimidate anyone who wants to address piracy. That's not good. :sad:

EDIT: by the way, +1 for answering my question. I hope we can have an intelligent discussion, despite the sophomoric posts that followed your answer. Let's keep this on topic.

.

Thanks. remember when I said one should worry about an act that is more than a few pages long... Why the excessive wording? No one can read them things sequentially without missing key factors. And that is the reason for abuse further down the line, things passed on the fly, "ooops I did not see that in there". Worst are people making claims because they did not understand the act AND winning their case because the defendant ('s lawyer) knew even less.
And amendments are the worst of all. The only way to go through them is to have a dual screen or 2 paper printouts, one for the original and another with the amendments. Transcribe the wording to something comprehensible to figure out what it means.

If you ask me, every change proposed to an act should require the rewrite of the original act, including the original text with the amendments and the whole thing re-approved as a whole, when the NEW act comes into power it nullifies the previous version... like software. Piracy Act V1.5.

The whole process is pathetic ATM

I say going through those is akin to going through someone else code without even knowing what it does. It's almost impossible for 99.999% of the population.


I think us programmers should dedicate a little effort into reading those things because it's in our nature to comprehends this incomprehensible law speak.

[chance]

Did you even watch that video? It's about ACTA, SOPA, PIPA, and RIAA. I said Obama is pathetic because, if you had watched the video you would know this already, he's working with the RIAA and siding with them when they're going around suing children for a ton of money. He AGREES with the way they're handling the situation.

I apologize for dismissing your post. Your comment made me think it was humorous video of mindless bashing. +1 for my apology.

The motivation behind these bills isn't that simple. It's true many democrats side with Hollywood because of campaign support. For same reason many republicans side with big banks and Wall Street. But that doesn't mean they have personal stakes in suing anybody for copyright, or foreclosing on anybody's house.

T...when I said one should worry about an act that is more than a few pages long... Why the excessive wording? No one can read them things sequentially without missing key factors.

The Magna Carta and the US Bill of Rights are relatively short by comparison. But the devil is in the details. If we tried to govern ourselves solely with general laws like those, every prosecution would wind up in court for "interpretation". It's not practical.

These bills are long because the subject is complex. They address many of different situations, different types of individual and business relationships, different circumstances, legal agreements, liabilities, enforcement regulations, personal protections, etc. You can't cover all these issues in three pages.

So I'd rather have a lengthy bill that's explicit, free from ambiguity, and sets clear boundaries.. Non-explicit laws can be more easily abused.