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[nujuat]

Plenty of those not-for-profit windows games do contain copyrighted material.

But they're not selling them. Isn't that what they're worried about?

[greep]

Edit: meh, I'm getting off topic. If you want to discuss various doomsday scenarios and other bills I'll do that via pm

Edited by greep, 20 January 2012 - 02:18 AM.

[Rusky]

Those politicians are sitting down and having formal dinners with people who do care about copyright, because it harms their profits because they are are power-hungry and scared of change.

FTFY

But they're not selling them. Isn't that what they're worried about?

That's exactly what they're worried about- pirates sites aren't selling anything either.

[Mayhem Games]

It just shows that the FBI doesn't need SOPA or PIPA to get what they want...

Also I didn't know that the Megaupload founder lived in New Zealand

[Smarty]

And you voted for them why?

Because computer scientists don't run for office Also, if 2 arbitrary people run for an office there is a roughly 50/50 chance that the person you voted for didn't win.

The democratic system is such that anyone can run for office, given a certain age and nationality. That's why you find a diverse mix of creeds and professions among politicians. There is bound to be someone there who does have a clue.

But the actual point is that the people are ultimately responsible for choosing their government. If you want competent people, then vote for competent people. If your previous vote turned out to be a mistake, then correct for it in the next elections. If incompetent people stay put in office, well, then it says a lot about the voters.

[chance]

SOPA (as written) won't pass. Nevertheless, it's always popular to blame the US for these things. But if more governments around the world took active stands against piracy -- like Sweden taking down Pirate Bay -- we'd see more results.

So instead of the childish hyperbole and cyber-tantrums so common on the net this days, many world leaders are now discussing alternatives to SOPA -- such as OPEN.

Bashing the US isn't productive. Instead, citizens should demand their own governments participate in finding a solution. Because one way or another, the internet WILL get a massive anti-piracy and IP protection bill.

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Edited by chance, 20 January 2012 - 11:36 AM.

[nujuat]

Those politicians are sitting down and having formal dinners with people who do care about copyright, because it harms their profits because they are are power-hungry and scared of change.

FTFY

But they're not selling them. Isn't that what they're worried about?

That's exactly what they're worried about- pirates sites aren't selling anything either.

But why would you go on YoYo to pirate stuff? The simple games like pacman seem to have stupidly large file sizes and the copys of more complicated games generally aren't as good as the real thing because once you get up to that stage you would do something original.

If you've ever watched the movie called The Castle, you would know about "the vibe". The US government thinks that the vibe of uploading a copy of a game onto YoYo is to give away that game for free. But we all know it's really just to show off that you made a real "profesional" game.

If you wanted a Mario copy, you would go to a dodgy flash site or look in Google apps, not YoYo Games.

[Robert3DG+]

If you've ever watched the movie called The Castle, you would know about "the vibe". The US government thinks that the vibe of uploading a copy of a game onto YoYo is to give away that game for free. But we all know it's really just to show off that you made a real "profesional" game.

Do you even know what this crap you're spewing means?

[kikjezrous]

SOPA and PIPA may be misguided, BUT the problems they attempt to tackle are very real, and won't go away because Wikipedia and others "shut down" for a day.

I don't think the point of wikipedia shutting down was to shock congress into sacking the bill but instead to inform many users of their site that can do something to help to like, do something to help. Calling their representatives, etc.

The blackout wasn't to shock congress, but to garner public support.

[chance]

If you've ever watched the movie called The Castle, you would know about "the vibe". The US government thinks that the vibe of uploading a copy of a game onto YoYo is to give away that game for free.

You mean that Australian film about its government's compulsory acquisition of someone's house to expand the Melbourne Airport? Not sure what that says about... anything.

But if you want to learn what the government thinks, turn off the DVD and read a newspaper.

[makerofthegames]

SOPA and PIPA may be misguided, BUT the problems they attempt to tackle are very real, and won't go away because Wikipedia and others "shut down" for a day.

I don't think the point of wikipedia shutting down was to shock congress into sacking the bill but instead to inform many users of their site that can do something to help to like, do something to help. Calling their representatives, etc.

The blackout wasn't to shock congress, but to garner public support.

That's exactly what I just said.

[Rusky]

The democratic system is such that anyone can run for office, given a certain age and nationality. That's why you find a diverse mix of creeds and professions among politicians. There is bound to be someone there who does have a clue.

But the actual point is that the people are ultimately responsible for choosing their government. If you want competent people, then vote for competent people. If your previous vote turned out to be a mistake, then correct for it in the next elections. If incompetent people stay put in office, well, then it says a lot about the voters.

Congress has a 9% approval rating, but a 95% incumbency rate. How can that possibly be if what you say is true?

Edited by Rusky, 20 January 2012 - 04:30 PM.

[ean]

The democratic system is such that anyone can run for office, given a certain age and nationality. That's why you find a diverse mix of creeds and professions among politicians. There is bound to be someone there who does have a clue. a joke, where instead of encouraging individuals to stick to their ideas and principles, they are forced to conform to antiquated binaries. Any third party is ignored and religion is the primary concern of the polls.

Edited by ean, 20 January 2012 - 05:02 PM.

[chance]

The democratic system is such that anyone can run for office, given a certain age and ...people are ultimately responsible for choosing their government. If you want competent people, then vote for competent people. If your previous vote turned out to be a mistake, then correct for it in the next elections. If incompetent people stay put in office, well, then it says a lot about the voters.

Congress has a 9% approval rating, but a 95% incumbency rate. How can that possibly be if what you say is true?

It's easy to explain in the US. The reason is the nearly 50/50 polarization of the electorate right now. Each side blames the other side for congress's failure -- hence the low approval rating. But each side returns its own candidates the next election cycle -- hence the high incumbency rate (about 85% last election).

[Rusky]

Then that "says a lot about the voters" but doesn't mean it's the fault of any individual voter. Smarty's claims still don't make sense.

Edited by Rusky, 20 January 2012 - 06:01 PM.

[Smarty]

Then that "says a lot about the voters" but doesn't mean it's the fault of any individual voter. Smarty's claims still don't make sense.

With "the voters" (note: plural) I meant the entire electorate, not the individual. I assumed that much was clear.

[Rusky]

My point is that this doesn't work:

If you want competent people, then vote for competent people.

[icuurd12b42]

My point is that this doesn't work:

If you want competent people, then vote for competent people.

I get it: Because only competent people can vote for competent people. That is why democracy does not work.

[makerofthegames]

I'm sure incompetent people can vote for competent people aswell, it's not sorcery or anything. :D

[faissialoo]

the problem is that you think you voted for 'competent' people when the people you voted for are control freaks, i'm not naming anyone. (obama, cameron)