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#1 beatson

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 12:42 PM

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To settle any confusion before you read on, both Player and Developer accounts are (almost) exactly the same, you don't have to sign up as one or the other and then stick to that choice. You can switch between account types once logged in. This topic is focusing solely on the development side of the site though.

CrySet games is a new site that allows developers to publish their games and gain a share of all the ad revenue it generates.

Adding your game is simple and easy, all you have to do is sign up, navigate to the "add game" section of the site, submit your games details and then you're ready to go earn some revenue! Granted, at the minute the amount of revenue is extremely small, but as the site grows and expands, hopefully advertisers will pay us directly for ad space. Increasing the amount of revenue you earn. You can sign up here.

The main focus of this site is to try and earn developers as much money as possible. Any suggestions and idea's of executing this better are also welcome.

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#2 Jobo

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 01:26 PM

Interesting concept indeed.
But let me see if I understood this correctly; You place an ad in your game, and your players gets some of the money too?
Sounds like a failsafe solution for bad games.

The website, however. I'm absolutely loving it. It's a flawless design and the color combination is divine.
Without doubt the best looking website I've ever seen. With an ad-blocker that it. It failed to block the ad once, and with that it looked terrible. Ads ruin good designs. But since I can't see the ad, it's a beautiful site.
But the functionality of it still needs a lot of work.

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#3 beatson

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 01:54 PM

Interesting concept indeed.
But let me see if I understood this correctly; You place an ad in your game, and your players gets some of the money too?
Sounds like a failsafe solution for bad games.

The website, however. I'm absolutely loving it. It's a flawless design and the color combination is divine.
Without doubt the best looking website I've ever seen. With an ad-blocker that it. It failed to block the ad once, and with that it looked terrible. Ads ruin good designs. But since I can't see the ad, it's a beautiful site.
But the functionality of it still needs a lot of work.


No no, the advertisement is presented to the player when he downloads the game (as he clicks the download link) - the revenue from that is then shared. There are no ads in users games.
I don't think the overall idea is a fail-safe solution to bad games, obviously the site is still (extremely) small, so there isn't much money in it. But when the points system gets implemented and the possibility of an increase in the amount of revenue, who knows, indie developers could earn a little something for the games they produce.

Thanks for the compliment on the design, it was something I worked hard on to try and give the best impression I could. As for the ads, I agree they may ruin the site initially, but people forget that running websites take up time and money, and so ads become necessary in the long run.

Could you elaborate on how the sites functionality needs working on?

Thanks for the feedback :)
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Posted 25 August 2011 - 02:19 PM

but people forget that running websites take up time and money, and so ads become necessary in the long run.

You only pay for a website annualy or monthly. Then all costs from the website is over for a period. Websites are cheap nowadays. I don't see the need for ads which only generate $1 a month.

Could you elaborate on how the sites functionality needs working on?

Login/Register pages -> Menu and footer isn't there.
Half of the menu links doesn't lead to a page.

Edited by Jobo, 25 August 2011 - 02:19 PM.

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#5 beatson

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 05:02 PM

but people forget that running websites take up time and money, and so ads become necessary in the long run.

You only pay for a website annualy or monthly. Then all costs from the website is over for a period. Websites are cheap nowadays. I don't see the need for ads which only generate $1 a month.

Could you elaborate on how the sites functionality needs working on?

Login/Register pages -> Menu and footer isn't there.
Half of the menu links doesn't lead to a page.


Adsense can generate well over $1 a month. Besides, its not always the cost of hosting a site. Time also costs.

The login/register pages aren't supposed to show a head/footer. I am going to change this for the registration page though.
2 of the links don't work, and that's because the pages don't exist. Like I said, the site is still in its BETA stages and is far from finished.
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#6 Aertcz

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Posted 26 August 2011 - 07:02 AM

beautiful website. make it perfect and ditch that ****ing ugly advertisement at the top
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#7 beatson

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Posted 26 August 2011 - 09:50 AM

Almost every website you come across these days displays some form of advertisement, why is everyone so against this one? But I suppose removing the ad on the main page can't hurt...

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Posted 26 August 2011 - 09:59 AM

I wouldnt. Maybe try a different position for it, but ditch it? Advertising is an important part of the site (where else does it get it's revenue from?), and is a major part of 90% of all sites on the net! As such, I wouldn't remove it just because a couple of people don't like it (unless removing it has no negative impact on the income of the site). Remember, that people want everything their way but if it was there site, would they remove it? Not if it's bringing them money in they wouldn't!
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Posted 26 August 2011 - 10:07 AM

Ads are decently okay on a website with a layout just as bright as the ads.
You have a dark layout, and ads are usually bright. That simply doesn't work.

Having an ad on such a professional looking site takes it down a level. It makes it look like it's not a professional, but a 13-year old kid trying to make as many money as easy as he can. That might be the case though, I don't know. Just sayin'.

Remember, that people want everything their way but if it was there site, would they remove it?

I would. There's no reason to have it as of right now, the site doesn't generate any traffic. And I'd take appearance over income when it comes to a small google ad.

What you should do is, when the site generates a lot of traffic (a lot), contact someone in the same business as you (gaming, that is) and ask if they want to advertise on your site. It's possibly a better income, and it falls into what the users like.

Or as you mentioned, players and developers share the income of their ads - just take 5% or so of that.

Edited by Jobo, 26 August 2011 - 10:11 AM.

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Posted 26 August 2011 - 10:20 AM

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These are all actually pretty good points... Yes, Jobo seems to have a better grasp of these things than I do!
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#11 beatson

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Posted 26 August 2011 - 02:46 PM

Hmmm, removing the ad effected the way the site looked more than I thought it would. After a bit more research I think waiting till the site generates more traffic is probably the best way to go about it, and then possibly selling the ad space directly. For now I guess the ad is gone. I'd never take a cut out of the money given to the developers & players, the whole idea of the site is to (try and) pay out as much as I can to the members.

Thanks for the input guys
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#12 beatson

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Posted 28 August 2011 - 05:26 PM

Just a couple of quick updates....

We now have a blog. Granted, there is hardly any posts on there at the moment, but its a start :) It can be found by clicking "blog" on the homepage of CrySet (when not logged in), or under the "community" tab when logged in.

Another (quite large) update is the introduction of CrySet Points. Developers can now sell their games! Although the developer gets paid in real cash, the customer purchases the game through our points system. He/She gains these points through earning revenue from playing/developing. Alternatively, users can purchase CrySet Points via PayPal (current system is up and running smoothly. User pays through paypal -> Points are automatically added to his/her account)

Feedback on the system is welcome :)
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Posted 30 August 2011 - 12:26 PM

What's with the lack of interest? We've been getting plenty of hits and a few registrations, but no games?

Anyhow, we've decided to allow all games automatically, so there's no reviewing process of games. The only games that will go through an acceptance review are the ones that wish to be priced 20 (or above) CrySet Points ($5.00).

Cheers.
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#14 Fireball16

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Posted 30 August 2011 - 08:42 PM

How easy is it to earn CrySet points?
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Posted 30 August 2011 - 08:56 PM

How easy is it to earn CrySet points?


At the minute - difficult (unless you pay) :/ There's only 4 games on the site, we need users to add more! You earn cash from playing other peoples games, and them playing yours - you can then choose to be paid the cash directly to your PayPal account, or convert them into CrySet Points and use those points to buy other peoples commercial games.
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#16 Fireball16

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Posted 30 August 2011 - 10:30 PM

Ok, I'll add a game in a few days time :) it will be for 25-50 CrySet points I think :) what's the prices of the games on there at the moment?
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#17 beatson

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Posted 30 August 2011 - 11:05 PM

Ok, I'll add a game in a few days time :) it will be for 25-50 CrySet points I think :) what's the prices of the games on there at the moment?


The only commercial game is a test one :/ So yours would be the first on there :) 25 CrySet points is equal to $6.25 - and all of that would go to you each time a user buys it.

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#18 Fireball16

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Posted 30 August 2011 - 11:39 PM

Maybe 10 or so points then :D as $6.25 is quite a bit :)
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Posted 30 August 2011 - 11:45 PM

I too may publish one in a short time... Have you thought about maybe getting together with someone who knows about dll's and things to create a type of game center integration with your site? A basic one with online highscores for your games and achievements. All you would need to do is have the dll and a couple of scripts that people can include in their games and that's it!

PS: Don't ditch the review process! I really doubt that that is the problem with your site... I think you just need patience! I'll also place a banner in my sig when I upload my next game to you... see if that helps.
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Posted 31 August 2011 - 07:04 AM

I made $80 directly from ads this month - anyone that says there's no money in ads is dead wrong.

As for the website, it's an...interesting concept, but I'm not sure whether it will be successful. Paying people to play games - I don't know, just don't see it working without heavy exploitation and minimal benefit.

Best of luck though, it's a visually appealing site and if you work at it you might have something :)
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#21 beatson

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Posted 31 August 2011 - 10:07 AM

I too may publish one in a short time... Have you thought about maybe getting together with someone who knows about dll's and things to create a type of game center integration with your site? A basic one with online highscores for your games and achievements. All you would need to do is have the dll and a couple of scripts that people can include in their games and that's it!

PS: Don't ditch the review process! I really doubt that that is the problem with your site... I think you just need patience! I'll also place a banner in my sig when I upload my next game to you... see if that helps.


Ah that's good news, is it going to be commercial or freeware? Or haven't you decided yet?

Well the integration is on my list of things to do, but I don't really know that many people around here, so I wouldn't know who the best person to contact about it would be. But if someone approached me with this idea before I go looking for someone myself, I'd be happy to work with them :) I actually already have designs on how the integration would look (achievements, login section etc).

As for the review process, we'll see how it goes :/ If the site does kick off and a lot of games are getting uploaded, there's obviously going to be some who abuse it, so it'll be needed then. But for now, I don't think its necessary :)

A banner if your sig would probably help out a hell of a lot - I'm thinking of introducing an affiliate system when the site picks up, and pay those who bring registrations to the site :)

I made $80 directly from ads this month - anyone that says there's no money in ads is dead wrong.

As for the website, it's an...interesting concept, but I'm not sure whether it will be successful. Paying people to play games - I don't know, just don't see it working without heavy exploitation and minimal benefit.

Best of luck though, it's a visually appealing site and if you work at it you might have something :)


People exploiting the site was a major factor I had to work at when designing the site, and there are various different systems I'v implemented into the site to stop peoples abusing. The major exploit to consider was people constantly clicking to play a game, and not actually play it. Or people constantly clicking their own game to try and double the income - sadly for them, there are procedures in place to stop this kind of thing. However, I'm sure someone will find a loophole, maybe something I hadn't considered, but hopefully it'll be someone with good intention :)

Thanks :)
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Posted 31 August 2011 - 12:57 PM

What types of game-platforms are you supporting?
GM (obviously :P
Flash??
How can you be contacted? In your 'about us' there is no contact information

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Posted 31 August 2011 - 01:06 PM

What types of game-platforms are you supporting?
GM (obviously :P
Flash??
How can you be contacted? In your 'about us' there is no contact information

Br.


We support all platforms. There are however limitations with platforms such as flash (would be difficult to sell).

Will amend the "About us" page and add our contact information. E-mail: support@cryset.co.uk

Edit: here's the GUI for the "Game Centre" if anyone is interested :/ It's not finished yet...

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#24 JonathanPzone

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Posted 31 August 2011 - 11:07 PM

You should have Jobo as your spokesman, I think his little review sold me. Anyway, I don't have anything to release at the moment, but I'll leave this in my bookmarks for the time being. :happy:
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Posted 31 August 2011 - 11:13 PM

Your CrySet points economy system isn't sustainable, this is a problem considering you are telling developers they will receive real money in via paypal.

People will start earning and accumulating CrySet points, you've already posted about some abusing the system to earn more. Then they use these accumulated points (which haven't generated any real dollars into the system) to buy games that are being sold on the site.

Now how are you going to pay the developers real money via paypal?
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#26 beatson

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 10:38 AM

Your CrySet points economy system isn't sustainable, this is a problem considering you are telling developers they will receive real money in via paypal.

People will start earning and accumulating CrySet points, you've already posted about some abusing the system to earn more. Then they use these accumulated points (which haven't generated any real dollars into the system) to buy games that are being sold on the site.

Now how are you going to pay the developers real money via paypal?


Where did you get the idea they aren't generating real money? Maybe you have misunderstood. The games people play generate ad revenue. A share of this is then inserted into the players account (this IS real money) - they can then choose to withdraw it as cash once they hit a certain amount, or trade in (buy) CrySet points with it. When the user purchases anything with these points they are then turned back into real cash and given to the developer of the game. Users can also purchase CrySet points directly through PayPal. The points system is just a way to add deals (the more you spend the more points you get), and possibly reward users for competitions held in the future.

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#27 coderJoe

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 01:11 PM

We support all platforms. There are however limitations with platforms such as flash (would be difficult to sell).


-yes flashgames would be sitelocked hosted on your site and your users would play them there, and be exposed to adds with each play.
Do you plan for anything like that?
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#28 beatson

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 02:53 PM


We support all platforms. There are however limitations with platforms such as flash (would be difficult to sell).


-yes flashgames would be sitelocked hosted on your site and your users would play them there, and be exposed to adds with each play.
Do you plan for anything like that?


At the moment there aren't any plans for anything like this, but when Game Maker HTML5 is released, I have a similar system already planned. Maybe flash will get integrated into that :)
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Posted 01 September 2011 - 03:06 PM

Jump on the HTML5 bandwagon ASAP and you could make a nice space for yourself in the market...Posted Image
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#30 beatson

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 05:15 PM

Well I suppose the current way the site is built, it already supports HTML5 games. But it would be nice if the players could play the games on CrySet - shouldn't be difficult to implement at all. It's on the to-do list ;)

Also, you can now integrate your game into your own site through a simple code found here
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