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#1 masterofhisowndomain

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 10:38 PM

Hello. A quick question to anyone who has either obtained the Game Maker's Companion or knows about it, as talked about here: http://gmc.yoyogames...pic=477731&st=0 and sold here: http://www.amazon.co...&pf_rd_i=468294

It says that a CD is provided that includes Game Maker 8: does anyone know if this is the Standard (must be paid for) or Lite (free) version of GM8. If it is the free one, does this mean that all of the book's content can be produced on the Lite version of the software, or is the assumption that you will upgrade? I would appreciate knowing this, as it may be the clincher over whether or not I purchase the book.

Thanks in advance. :)
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Posted 20 July 2011 - 11:10 PM

Considered the book being cheaper than GM standard, I'd assume you'll just get a CD with GM lite version.
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Posted 21 July 2011 - 01:47 AM

Unless something has changed, it will be just the lite version. But, for the most part, you can work with the book without the standard version. A few reference things at the end of the book(kind of like mini-tuts) would require pro, but the massive content of the book works without it. I actually can recommend the book, especially if platformers are your cup of tea.
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Posted 21 July 2011 - 09:05 AM

@TheSnidr - Actually the RRP on amazon.co.uk (as linked) is 31.49, which converts to over $50 (GM8 Standard is $40). If the book were to offer Standard at a discounted price then it could make sense. But the margins would be narrow admittedly.

@kburkhart84 - Platformers are my cup of tea, and some of the design areas would be very useful no doubt. I wanted to make sure that buying the book in itself would be worthwhile, rather than being forced to purchase Standard in order to actually get my money's worth... :(
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Posted 21 July 2011 - 09:54 PM

@kburkhart84 - Platformers are my cup of tea, and some of the design areas would be very useful no doubt. I wanted to make sure that buying the book in itself would be worthwhile, rather than being forced to purchase Standard in order to actually get my money's worth... :(


I can't blame you for that :) But I'm pretty sure that if you don't get your money's worth, it won't be due to lack of GM8Standard, rather depending on your current skillset, as in if the book has material you don't know or not.
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#6 Smarty

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 08:01 PM

The version of Game Maker provided with the CD is Game Maker 8.0 Lite, not Pro. Note that it's version 8.0 rather than version 8.1, which has Lite vs. Pro instead rather than Lite vs. Standard. The book wasn't a product of YoYo Games but of 4 independent authors. We've kindly been granted permission to distribute the Lite version of Game Maker with the book.

An effort has been made to make sure you can use almost all of the book without having to buy a licensed version of Game Maker. The main part - the three games - can be done with the Lite version provided. The very last chapter, however, is a feature reference which contains a few features which require Pro, but these are clearly marked.

I've tested the games in the book in GM 8.1 and they seem to be working fine, but I could only test for the Standard version. I'm not sure if they work correctly with Lite - YoYo Games may have changed some features from Lite to Standard in between versions 8.0 and 8.1. So if you wish to work with the book, and don't want to buy a license just yet, it's easiest if you stick to the GM 8.0 Lite provided on the CD.
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Posted 23 July 2011 - 09:56 PM

Thank you very much Smarty, my initial aspiration was for someone involved directly with the book to see this topic and respond but I thought it was unlikely. But to everyone who has replied to this topic - much appreciated. :)
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Posted 23 July 2011 - 10:43 PM

Just like GM Apprentice...which I never bought!

But borrowed from the library! One of the reasons they can't package a full version for a book.
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Posted 23 July 2011 - 10:57 PM

@gmx0 - I also borrowed GM Apprentice from a library. However, with this book containing a feature reference section, as well as design ideas etc. I believe it is worth purchasing and having on hand at any time. If they were to package a full version with the book I'm sure it would just have a one-time-use code or something (license key?) that would prevent mass use in the way you suggest.
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Posted 23 July 2011 - 10:57 PM

Just like GM Apprentice...which I never bought!

But borrowed from the library! One of the reasons they can't package a full version for a book.


Because someone, like me, will steal the disc :snitch:
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Posted 23 July 2011 - 11:10 PM

@gmx0 - I also borrowed GM Apprentice from a library. However, with this book containing a feature reference section, as well as design ideas etc. I believe it is worth purchasing and having on hand at any time. If they were to package a full version with the book I'm sure it would just have a one-time-use code or something (license key?) that would prevent mass use in the way you suggest.

Then they can't make the book available in the library if it only has a one-use key, either no one would borrow it or no one can use it. And its profitable to Yoyo to put it in the library as more people with copies of free versions equals more upgrades to Pro/Standard equals more money for Yoyo, like free advertising.
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Posted 26 July 2011 - 01:15 PM

[...]
Then they can't make the book available in the library if it only has a one-use key, either no one would borrow it or no one can use it.[...]

I think we can agree at least one person would be able to use it

Edited by TheSnidr, 26 July 2011 - 03:11 PM.

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#13 masterofhisowndomain

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Posted 28 July 2011 - 05:01 PM

Then they can't make the book available in the library if it only has a one-use key, either no one would borrow it or no one can use it.

They could just make the book available for use without the CD... there is no obligation to include the CD, unless I'm mistaken. I would still borrow the book if it didn't have the CD.

The book has arrived by the way, and is very good. I would recommend people get it! :)
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Posted 28 July 2011 - 08:09 PM

I know someone who owns the Game Maker's Companion.
And guess what he told me.....

.....The CD contains gm sampels and it contains Gamemaker with a Standard serial key generator.

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Posted 28 July 2011 - 08:36 PM

I know someone who owns the Game Maker's Companion.
And guess what he told me.....

.....The CD contains gm sampels and it contains Gamemaker with a Standard serial key generator.


Then they lied. Honestly Arial, keep your hearsay to yourself and only post when you can PROVE what you say. The book you are talking about was co-written by Smarty (see above post) a long time trusted and respected member of this community. Please, stop posting rubbish like this, it only serves to make you look like a fool.
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Posted 28 July 2011 - 09:07 PM

I know someone who owns the Game Maker's Companion.
And guess what he told me.....

.....The CD contains gm sampels and it contains Gamemaker with a Standard serial key generator.

I own GM's Companion.

It does not have a Standard serial keygen, it came out before 8.1 and the Pro/Standard re-branding.

Either:
  • Your friend is making crap up.
  • You are making crap up.
  • You've misunderstood (again).
  • Combination of the above.

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#17 YellowAfterlife

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Posted 28 July 2011 - 09:12 PM

Please, stop posting rubbish like this, it only serves to make you look like a fool.

From the recent observations, could assume that it is exactly what one is after.

On-topic... excluding some small bugs, GM8.0 Lite projects should load in GM8.1 Lite nicely.
More of it, since rotated images are now accessible in Lite edition of GM8.1, some previously pro-editing-only projects now can be built with Lite edition.
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Posted 29 July 2011 - 12:30 AM

I know someone who owns the Game Maker's Companion.
And guess what he told me.....

.....The CD contains gm sampels and it contains Gamemaker with a Standard serial key generator.


Then they lied. Honestly Arial..

<nibbles the bait>

Your friend is making crap up.

<swallows the bait>


Nice fishing, Arial. :D They're practically jumping onto the hook.

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Edited by chance, 29 July 2011 - 01:03 AM.

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 10:55 PM

Off topic: So smarty is martin rijks?
Ontopic: The game makers companion does not have the standard version of game maker packaged with it, however you can make all the games with GM lite.
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#20 Arial

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 07:22 PM

Off topic: So smarty is martin rijks?

Who pumped that information into you?
It is Nielson

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Posted 09 August 2011 - 01:47 PM

The book you are talking about was co-written by Smarty (see above post) a long time trusted and respected member of this community. Please, stop posting rubbish like this, it only serves to make you look like a fool.

Yes i know Samrty a very good person and the best programmer, 2nd best hacker (i still remeber Ismavatar was faster in reversing obfuscator), and extension maker of its time gmc ever known. To my opinion the best administrator gmc ever had. Until one day Mark Overmars let him down and he said something like this "Mark Overmars you let me down at this time" and left the gmc with anger and sadness. I also cried for many days when smarty left the GMC Administrator post. If you dont belive ask Fredfredrickson, Sinaz, KCLC, tmp3, damaged and all those who remember him as a old friend.

Please do not make a fool of me. Listen to me i am telling the truth now.

Edited by Arial, 09 August 2011 - 01:50 PM.


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Posted 11 August 2011 - 11:43 PM

slam drago, on 02 August 2011 - 11:55 PM, said:
Off topic: So smarty is martin rijks?
Who pumped that information into you?
It is Nielson

Well since in the about the author section in Game makers companion it says that martin rijks was a long time member of the GMC I only assumed that smarty was martin rijks.
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Posted 12 August 2011 - 12:50 AM

slam drago, on 02 August 2011 - 11:55 PM, said:
Off topic: So smarty is martin rijks?
Who pumped that information into you?
It is Nielson

Well since in the about the author section in Game makers companion it says that martin rijks was a long time member of the GMC I only assumed that smarty was martin rijks.

Rijks is Smarty.

You can't believe a word Ariel says.
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#24 slam drago

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 01:10 AM

Well thats stupid.
Someone should temp ban ariel for lying then.
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#25 masterofhisowndomain

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 08:02 AM

Someone should temp ban ariel for lying then.

Except because he constantly lies, that would be a permanent ban. :lol:
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Posted 13 August 2011 - 03:26 AM

Hello. A quick question to anyone who has either obtained the Game Maker's Companion or knows about it, as talked about here: http://gmc.yoyogames...pic=477731&st=0 and sold here: http://www.amazon.co...&pf_rd_i=468294

It says that a CD is provided that includes Game Maker 8: does anyone know if this is the Standard (must be paid for) or Lite (free) version of GM8. If it is the free one, does this mean that all of the book's content can be produced on the Lite version of the software, or is the assumption that you will upgrade? I would appreciate knowing this, as it may be the clincher over whether or not I purchase the book.

Thanks in advance. :)

I am pretty sure that it is all free-version game maker games on the CD and in the book, like the GM7 version, "Game Maker's Apprentice".
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Posted 13 August 2011 - 10:33 AM


...does anyone know if this is the Standard (must be paid for) or Lite (free) version of GM8. If it is the free one, does this mean that all of the book's content can be produced on the Lite version of the software, or is the assumption that you will upgrade? I would appreciate knowing this, as it may be the clincher over whether or not I purchase the book.

I am pretty sure that it is all free-version game maker games on the CD and in the book, like the GM7 version, "Game Maker's Apprentice".

Both questions were answered 3 weeks ago by one of the book's authors: post #6.

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Edited by chance, 13 August 2011 - 10:45 AM.

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#28 YellowAfterlife

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Posted 13 August 2011 - 12:58 PM

Both questions were answered 3 weeks ago by one of the book's authors: post #6.

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Well, you can't really make people read the topic before posting, that's a problem of this forum.
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