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How fast does the optimised verison of the demo run?

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#21 Arial

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 04:31 PM

optimised 25-30 at start
After a minute it dropped down to 12-15 fps

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 04:57 PM

On my Win7 x64, 8bg ram, 2.80ghz cpu, GTX 460.
3DCube_gm8.1.71: 4-5 fps.
3DCube_24BitZ_2xAA_With_AA_Fallback: 556-678 fps.
3DCube_24BitZ_8xAA_Optimised: 556-678 fps.



A friend tested it for me on his 3 year old netbook (Win XP, 1gb ram, 1ghz cpu, mobile intel 915GM)
3DCube_gm8.1.71: 3fps
3DCube_24BitZ_2xAA_With_AA_Fallback: 5fps
3DCube_24BitZ_8xAA_Optimised: 0fps
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#23 Medusar

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 05:28 PM

OK... tested it on two crap machines and here are the results.

Optimised 8xAA ran on neither, GM8.1.71 version ran at <1FPS on both, but looked fine.

Interesting results came with the 2xAA with fallback... on one PC, >10 years old, Matrox Millennium G450 Dual Head graphics card, some depth issues appeared: screenshot

The other one, a >5 year old laptop with integrated graphics, gave a flicker (full purple screen for 1 frame, then part of the block for 1 frame, then full purple again and so on). I say part of the block because only a single column appeared (I think it's the column on the edge of the cube closest to the camera). It started showing the full column, which then slowly grew smaller from bottom to top. When the whole column was gone, it showed again in full length and grew smaller. On top of that the individual cubes seemed to have some invisible faces. Bit difficult to explain here are some screenshots. screenshot1, screenshot2
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#24 Erik Leppen

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 05:42 PM

3DCube_24BitZ_2xAA_With_AA_Fallback.exe
fps = 73
it does take ~15 seconds to load. I noticed that the first image stays there for a second, and then from the second frame on everything flows smoothly. I haven't tested longer than about 20 seconds though.

3DCube.gm81 and
3DCube_gm8.1.71.exe:
fps = 2
it takes 10 to 15 seconds to load.

Also I noticed the two results look very different (and it's not only the anti-alias). Look:
The 2xAA version: looks like it should: image
The 8.1.71 version looks weird: image

3DCube_24BitZ_8xAA_Optimized.exe
Does not work for me. I get "failed to initialize drawing surfaces". I never get this error, I think this is the first time ever. I'm using NVidia GeForce 6600 GT on a computer from 2005 with Windows XP.

I didn't vote, because all examples gave a different result; 73 fps, 2 fps or "not at all".
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#25 Medusar

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 05:55 PM

I get the same artifacts with the 8.1.71 version as Erik does. I didn't notice it at the time because it was the only version that seemed to run properly.
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#26 Scyler_27

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 06:57 PM

Wow, what an improvement!

GM8.1.71 - 5 fps
2xAA - 150's fps
8xAA - 120's fps

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Edited by Scyler_27, 03 May 2011 - 07:05 PM.

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#27 Maarten Baert

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 07:06 PM

3DCube_gm8.1.71.exe: 5-6 fps
3DCube_24BitZ_8xAA_Optimised.exe: 120-125 fps (initially)
3DCube_24BitZ_2xAA_With_AA_Fallback.exe: 200-205 fps initially, jumps up to to 230-240 fps after one second, then goes down.

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ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5650
4.00 GB RAM

Looks great :).
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Posted 03 May 2011 - 07:19 PM

Interesting results came with the 2xAA with fallback... on one PC, >10 years old, Matrox Millennium G450 Dual Head graphics card, some depth issues appeared: screenshot


Wow... seriously old card... I'm surprised it ran at all!! Some very old cards have limits on the number of primitives it can submit in one go, I suspect this is killing that one stone dead.... Also looks like the Z-Buffer isn't right.
Netbooks are total crap for graphics really.... So I'm not surprised they struggle. Could be a similar issue What OS is on the machine? It does look like the number of prims is again limited here. DX8 time wasn't a great time for "large" numbers of polys....


Also I noticed the two results look very different (and it's not only the anti-alias). Look:
The 2xAA version: looks like it should: image
The 8.1.71 version looks weird: image


Yes... this was a bug in 8.1.71. I just discovered Mark reset the ZBuffer back to 16bit whenever you enabled 3D mode. No idea why! But this causes the issue your seeing with cubes poking through each other. This has been fixed in the next version, so as from the next release you'll get the proper 24Bit ZBuffer you were supposed to get.


This example is obviously pushing the envelope a little, and I don't expect any GameMaker game to do this... but in general it will mean models of 5K or so will be easily possible, even on the older hardware. Actually.. the way this is now done, it'll simply be the graphics card holding things up, not GameMaker or the CPU; which is as it should be.

I'll look into primitive limits... That will seriously cripple lower end systems, where as in the past GameMaker couldn't even approach their limits!

All these results are very helpful, keep 'em coming :)

#29 GPro

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 07:34 PM

3DCube_gm8.1.71: 1-2 fps
3DCube_24BitZ_8xAA_Optimised: 23-24 fps
3DCube_24BitZ_2xAA_With_AA_Fallback: 59-60 fps

Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU	T6600  @ 2.20 GHz 2.19 GHz
Graphics Card: NVIDIA
Installed Memory (RAM): 4.00 GB (2.96 usable) (I use gavotte disk ram to make the rest of 1GB RAM usable)
System Type: 32-bit
Operating System: Windows 7 Ultimate build 7600

Is it good? Posted Image


Edit: Btw this is an Acer laptop :)

Edited by GPro, 04 May 2011 - 05:29 AM.

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#30 Symbols

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 07:45 PM

24BitZ_2*AA with AA Fallback = 380+ FPS
24BitZ_8*AA_Optimised = 180+ FPS
3DCube_gm8.1.71 = About 4 Fps Maximum (some cubes are Z-overlapping slightly)

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#31 Recreate

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 08:06 PM

Tried it on my 6-year old Lenovo Thinkpad TabletPC.(1.5Ghz Pentium-M, 2.5GB DDR2 RAM, Intel 915GM/GMS, 910GML(GMA900).)

3DCube_gm8.1.71: 1fps
3DCube_24BitZ_8xAA_Optimised: "Failed to initialize drawing surfaces" error
3DCube_24BitZ_2xAA_With_AA_Fallback: 4-5fps

Edited by Recreate, 03 May 2011 - 08:09 PM.

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#32 Codifier

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 09:04 PM

Processor: Athlon II X4 2.3Ghz
RAM: 3GB
Graphics card: GeForce 8400
OS: Windows 7 64 bit

Loaded from GM: 2-3
AA Fallback: 52-53
Optimised: 23-24
3DCube_gm8.1.71: 2-3

They all worked, at least.
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#33 xot

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 09:13 PM

 4 FPS - 3DCube_gm8.171.exe
97 FPS - 3DCube_24BitZ_2xAA_With_AA_Fallback.exe - (AA working)
FAILED - 3DCube_24BitZ_8xAA_Optimised.ext

CPU: 2x 2GHZ AMD Opteron Dual-core
GPU: NVIDIA/eVGA GeForce 6800GS
RAM: 4 GB
OS: Windows XP 32-bit

Nice work, Mike.
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#34 GStick

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 09:29 PM

Tested this on a 9 year old PC.

All of the demos failed to run at native resolution (1920 x 1080). All Game Maker games fail to run at native:

Failed to initialize drawing surfaces. Please check that your graphics card meets the minimum requirements and that your drivers are up-to-date. If your graphics card has little memory, try switching your computer to a lower resolution.


However, at a resolution of 1024x768:
Unoptimized: Computer restarted after loading screen. Desktop was completely reorganized after starting back up.
Optimized: Received the same error message as before. Note that Game Maker games usually run at this resolution.
AA Fallback: 2 fps. Upon closing, received a Windows error message of a failed display driver.


Windows XP 32-bit
GPU: Intel 82845G/GL 64MB
CPU: Celeron 1.99Ghz
1GB RAM

Edited by GStick, 03 May 2011 - 09:30 PM.

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#35 Shadowrend

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 09:45 PM

GeForce GT 460 1 GB VRAM
4 GB RAM
Intel Core 2 Duo 2.13 Ghz
Windows 7 Ultimate x64

8.1.71 - 3 FPS
8.1.72 - 153 FPS
8.1.72 (2x AA with Fallback) - 197


Good job GM - 150/194 FPS difference. Thats what I call improvement

Edited by Shadowrend, 03 May 2011 - 09:48 PM.

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#36 thatshelby

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 09:53 PM

Unoptimized: 2 FPS

Optimized: Fails to run, error:

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3DCube_24BitZ_8xAA_Optimised
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Failed to initialize drawing surfaces. Please check that your graphics card meets the minimum requirements and that your drivers are up-to-date. If your graphics card has little memory, try switching your computer to a lower resolution.
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OK
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Specs:

Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, build 2600)
Processor: Intel Pentium Dual CPU E2220 @ 2.40GHz (2 CPUs)
Graphics: Intel G33/G31 Express Chipset Family


...My computer really sucks. Thankfully I didn't pay for it. Ahh well, beggars can't be choosers.
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#37 HaRRiKiRi

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 09:57 PM

3DCube_gm8.1.71 - 3-4FPS
3DCube_24BitZ_2xAA_With_AA_Fallback - 320FPS
3DCube_24BitZ_8xAA_Optimised - 227FPS

OS - Win7 Ult 64bit
Cpu - Intel Core2Duo 2.66Ghz
Gfx - Nvidia Geforce 8800GTS 512mb
Ram - 2GB

Runs fine and looks great. But I guess this doesn't increase 2d speed? I am not really that into 3d game development, so I would love to see 2d speed increase (there is a nice speed increase in 8.1 already, but more is always better :)).

edit:

However, at a resolution of 1024x768:
Unoptimized: Computer restarted after loading screen. Desktop was completely reorganized after starting back up.
Optimized: Received the same error message as before. Note that Game Maker games usually run at this resolution.
AA Fallback: 2 fps. Upon closing, received a Windows error message of a failed display driver.

This actually made me laugh, because its just plain sad. :D

Edited by HaRRiKiRi, 03 May 2011 - 09:58 PM.

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#38 Desert Dog

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 10:30 PM

Not really all that sure about my system, it's pretty old. From control-panel system:
window xp
AMD Athlon™ 64 Processor
3000+
2.00 Ghz, 512 mb Ram


GM8.1.71 got me 2 fps

AA_with_AA_fallback got me 40 fps and was fairly solid there at 40-41 for 30 seconds that I ran it.

AA_Optimised wouldn't run, got the

"Failed to initialize drawing surfaces. Please check that your graphics card meets the minimum requirements and that your drivers are up-to-date. If your graphics card has little memory, try switching your computer to a lower resolution."

Error

That's a fairly decent/huge speed increase in the one that did run. :D
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#39 Shadow Link

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 11:18 PM

Laptop (Dell Inspiron B130, about 5.5 years old)
CPU: Intel Celeron M @ 1.40GHz
GPU: Intel 915GM/GMS,910GML Express @ 96MB memory
RAM: 1GB
OS: Windows XP SP3 32-bit

8.1.71: 1 FPS (Steady)
2xAA: 4 - 7 FPS (Mostly 6), would only render about 1/4 to 1/2 of the cubes.
8xAA: Failed to initialize drawing surfaces.


Desktop (Dell Dimension 4600, about 8 or 9 years old)
CPU: Intel Pentium 4 @ 2.40GHz
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce 6200 @ 256MB memory
RAM: 4GB
OS: Windows XP SP3 32-bit

8.1.71: 1 - 3 FPS
2xAA: 13 - 35 FPS
8xAA: Failed to initialize drawing surfaces.

Not the greatest computers, I'm due for an upgrade!
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#40 tangibleLime

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 11:20 PM

- GM81 was steady at 4 FPS
- Fallback oscillated between 530 and 900 FPS
- Optimized oscillated between 200 and 500 FPS

i7-930 Quad Core @ ~3.1
nVidia GTX 470
6 GB RAM, triple channel
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Impressive speed boost, from 4 FPS to 900 FPS. Good job!
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