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[Pandaboy]

Thank you very much for such a detailed explaination :D!
I must say that it's a very well written, professional script ^^!

[Simaster48]

Hey yal, i know that you are reworking heart of the city but shouldn't the vital information sign #1 be fixed?
I just went back there and the same old bug is still there, infinite message terror

[Yal]

Hey yal, i know that you are reworking heart of the city but shouldn't the vital information sign #1 be fixed?
I just went back there and the same old bug is still there, infinite message terror

Yeah, should fix it. Nobody has told me about it yet so that's why I haven't already.


Anyway, I've moved TOL to a new place. I'll just finish the new, fits-with-the-game-setting-(aka-not-out-of-the-BLUE)-That-One-Level and I'll hopefully get the next update out.

Oh, and neo-midboss-Smith needs to be completed too, cutscenes included.

Edited by Yal, 31 August 2011 - 10:42 AM.

[Simaster48]

Oh, and neo-midboss-Smith needs to be completed too, cutscenes included.

Hmm, need a debugger to run a test fight?

By the way, you didn't answer my question in post #218!

I'm curious, will there be a new side story line?

[Yal]

EDIT:
Just found a weird place with lot of tubes and people in them, are those the ancestors?

also why is one of the tubes empty?

Spoiler

Those are the Sleepers mentioned in some of the Ancestor Notes, so yes, they're ancestor soldiers. Mario even says this when you survey some of the tubes.

After you get some information (survey Jessica's tube and the notes), survey the empty tube again and you shall find. Um, well, it's not complete real yet, so don't expect that what you find will have any impact on anything.


Anyway; yes, that room will be necessary for the Real Final Dungeon, the Extra Final Boss, and the Real Ending.
I've had 3 08-to-17 days in a row so I haven't been able to use my computer in 3 days. But I'll be sure to tell you when I make some progress.

[Simaster48]

Ok, that will make up for a interesting side plot. But...

...I can see some future trouble here! (story-wise )

Questions, questions, questions! (Nope can't be quiet anymore, gotta ask before my brain explode. - )
This may be considered spoilers though.
(Downside of having backstage knowledge, never know what I say that could spoil the fun... )

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* If Mario wake them up, and therefore stroll down the side story, what about his motive for joining the expedition in the first place? (And later go up against Heavy Duty? - )

* Also have to remember that Smith is running out of control during the time this area is reachable, and is about to blow up the whole city! (This ain't the time to stroll around Mario! - )

* One simple name: Voice? (*Returns to the truck with the group* Hey, where is Voice? - )

* Real Final Dungeon = True Heart of the City area? -

* Ninja? (Where the hell is Lucius during all of this? - )

* What is behind that weird barrier in the sky area? (*examines barrier* Smells like flowers? Ok, what is wrong here??? - )

There will probably be more later on

[Yal]

Spoiler

* If Mario wake them up, and therefore stroll down the side story, what about his motive for joining the expedition in the first place? (And later go up against Heavy Duty? - )

* Also have to remember that Smith is running out of control during the time this area is reachable, and is about to blow up the whole city! (This ain't the time to stroll around Mario! - )

* One simple name: Voice? (*Returns to the truck with the group* Hey, where is Voice? - )

* Real Final Dungeon = True Heart of the City area? -

* Ninja? (Where the hell is Lucius during all of this? - :dry: )

* What is behind that weird barrier in the sky area? (*examines barrier* Smells like flowers? Ok, what is wrong here??? - )

Because it's going to be quite obvious that Final Columbus is controlling Smith; defeating Final Columbus would turn Smith back to normal.
Oh, and don't forget that Cain and Emily is going after Smith too!

Voice... she's going to have hidden motives. Haven't decided on them really, but they could have something to do with that empty tube... and Ninja might be related with this too.

Barrier... It's related with Vanessa... I really should put the other side of that barrier in her room.

And as for future plot trouble...

Spoiler

Gear Princess takes place before Final Columbus, during the war with Korea that engulfs Columbus City (and Seattle) right when Final Columbus is created.

This could obviously lead to the problem "Why don't Sunshine and Raccoon go to Columbus and kick Final Columbus' butt and change history?". My main answer to that would be "because that's not the canonical ending, the Real Ending is one of the other eleven!"

And River Of Sin takes place in 1985, Demon Detective in 2007; so it's pretty obvious they doesn't meddle with the plot of any of those games. Dracula's Island and Shadow Slug Solid are completely unrelated . See, no plot trouble.

Edited by Yal, 14 September 2011 - 12:44 PM.

[Simaster48]

Point taken but still not satisfied, and i will probably never be.

And River Of Sin takes place in 1985, Demon Detective in 2007; so it's pretty obvious they doesn't meddle with the plot of any of those games. Dracula's Island and Shadow Slug Solid are completely unrelated . See, no plot trouble.

Riiight...

Actually i have no idea what your talking about now...

Edit: Hey, wait a sec!

Spoiler

Voice... she's going to have hidden motives. Haven't decided on them really, but they could have something to do with that empty tube... and Ninja might be related with this too.

Why would Lucius be related to this?
I though he would be more like the veteran fighter of the group?
Besides it's Cain who is helping voice, right?

...

Of course, maybe Voice managed to persuade Ninja after Cains refusal to help her in the water tower...
It's logical but feels kinda cheap...

As for voice, don't say that she is one of the ancestors!
That wouldn't be funny nor work out well. (Bad feeling about that idea... )
Could of course have something to do with her daughter i guess...

Edited by Simaster48, 16 September 2011 - 01:45 PM.

[Yal]

Spoiler

Could of course have something to do with her daughter i guess...

Hey! That gave me another, really interesting idea...

Spoiler

What if Voice is the daughter of some ancestor that got away some time (30 years or so) before the events of the game?

Anyway, Ninja do sneak around the city a bit on his own (have you met him at the Canal Drain, for instance? Or on top of the Water Tower?)

Spoiler

It would be quite possible that he either let someone out of that tube... or perhaps he could be an Ancestor that used high-tech guns to gain a reputation in the Desert Squad with ease.

[Simaster48]

Umm...

Spoiler

Hey! That gave me another, really interesting idea...

Spoiler

What if Voice is the daughter of some ancestor that got away some time (30 years or so) before the events of the game?

No, seriously No!
They are all related to the ancestors the long way, but that some ancestors got away later?
Naah, i think it would be better if this had with voice daughter to do...

Hmm, maybe i have a sub story idea here.

Hang on a moment, need to rethink some stuff!
I'll send it as a pm or use another way to tell you

Spoiler

It would be quite possible that he either let someone out of that tube... or perhaps he could be an Ancestor that used high-tech guns to gain a reputation in the Desert Squad with ease.

As i said above, no...

The least we want now is another rampaging character, no pre-released ancestors running around in the city!
And if Lucius did release one of them, empty tube, then why not the others? (Dont tell me he didn't make it past those blocks, seriously it's Ninja we're talking about! )

No, let Lucius be the veteran fighter in the group. (It's better that way... )

Wait now that i think about it, What is Deadwater doing during this?

(The always forgotten {and hated?} one, that would be Jack Deadwater! )

Edited by Simaster48, 20 September 2011 - 09:39 AM.

[Yal]

Jack was supposed to be a character you'd hate, but he turned out to be the comic relief...

Hey, what if he should make cameos in places all around the city, where he fails at different stuff (e.g. goes for a coin pile in an area you can't reach from there, and then gets chased off by a bunch of coinrats?)? That'd solve his "disappearance" since he's obviously alive... just out of your reach all the time.

[Simaster48]

Umm, that would be...

I actually think that coinrat scene, although quite different, would be fun to see before the WT-incident!

But if Jack would appear all around the game, why wouldn't he try to get back to the truck? (seems more logical then looting during that part of the story... )

[Yal]

But if Jack would appear all around the game, why wouldn't he try to get back to the truck? (seems more logical then looting during that part of the story... )

Because he want to sneak back so Mario won't beat him up?

[Simaster48]

Nope, still doesn't make sense...
And I don't think mario would do that without reason.

Edit:

And what is Deadwater doing while mario is in the canal? (Dumb question i guess )

Also the player is rarely at the truck, and if I where Deadwater, I'd hide somewhere close to it and wait for Mario to leave!
(So what if there is a stranger there, and Coffe, and Tallie, and Fox... {On second though, I'll stay here until i can sneak aboard })

Edited by Simaster48, 23 September 2011 - 07:33 AM.

[Simaster48]

Soo, when is the next update?
We are on version 1.2.11, if the first post is right...

(Damn, i'm still running on 1.2.9!)
(Where is that damn power cord, i've been waiting for it over a month now!)

[Yal]

BTW, I've chiseled a bit on the Mode-7 tunnel effect needed for the Speedbike parts...

[Simaster48]

Hmm, another bug?

Spoiler

The "engrish" mode deactivates itself, it only works on the title screen
That's on Version 1.2.9, have to try it on the new version when i can

Edited by Simaster48, 28 September 2011 - 11:18 AM.

[Yal]

The "engrish" mode deactivates itself, it only works on the title screen
That's on Version 1.2.9, have to try it on the new version when i can

It stays active when you select a file, but every time you get back to the title screen it deactivates itself. As well, it doesn't effect the file select screen AFAIK, just dialogue text and pause menu text.

[Simaster48]

It stays active when you select a file,

Well, that's the thing...

...It didn't!

[Yal]

You mean you backed out from the file menu?