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[TheMagicNumber]

It would have to have a new nVidia card for that, or a DX11 capable videocard with OpenCL compatability.

I was simply saying it's possible.

[Phantom107]

*Bashes head against wall* Umm HELLO the touch screen?! >.<

Personally I think that's rather clumsy and I'd prefer an analoge stick. It was enjoyable in Metroid Prime Hunters, great game by the way, but it seems numerous people got cramp in their hands. Also, the touch screen gets scratched a lot over time, depending on the conditions.

Edited by Phantom107, 11 October 2010 - 08:56 AM.

[makerofthegames]

Cramps in their hands? I think the solution to that is not to play for hours on end.
Then again, I've played a heavy touch-screen game (Wario Ware Touched) for a long time and I never got cramps...

Hmm...
Whatever.

Edited by makerofthegames, 11 October 2010 - 06:41 PM.

[Andy]

I will wait until the price drops.

[xot]

Cramps in their hands? I think the solution to that is not to play for hours on end.

I have big hands and I can't use a GBA for more than 10 minutes. That's held me back from getting any other Nintendo handhelds, and that's the one thing holding me back from getting a 3DS. I'm crazy about stereoscopy and I badly want to be able to enjoy the 3DS. I have to confess I'm not really interested in many of the games I've seen, except the N64 rehashes. Zelda, StarFox, Paper Mario -- I loved all of those.

[2DLuis]

I have big hands and I can't use a GBA for more than 10 minutes. That's held me back from getting any other Nintendo handhelds

In some cases I can relate to this
For some awkward reason, the GB Micro comes to mind

[NinjaCatStudios]

Those are good graphics and don't deny it

Edited by NinjaCatStudios, 15 October 2010 - 06:46 PM.

[Phantom107]

Think so? As a great Zelda fan, I think this is an outright insult to the series. Nintendo should be ashamed of themselves with this quick cash-in.

• Why on earth is Link not lighted? It looks artificial and it doesn't blend in with the environment.
• Still no actual shadowing.
• Ground texture looks smudgy and bad.
• Fire "effect" needs some heavy tweaking, it looks like red smoke, not actual fire.
• No effort whatsoever to make the water reflective. In a closed bossfight scene, this should not be a problem.
• No upgrades to Hyrule Field, once again it's almost completely empty. No trees, or anything that looks like an actual field. At least they put trees in Twilight Princess.
• No paged-geometry shader for grass and scrubbery, making the environments look unnatural and simplistic.
• They didn't even bother to write fancy shaders (like bloom, specularity and normal mapping) to make it look better. Either they're not competent enough or they're just lazy.
• Nintendo still doesn't know how to make a proper sky.

What happened to the Twilight Princess programmers? They're sure as hell not responsible for this.

[makerofthegames]

I think I was right earlier when I implied you're just a hater of this system..

All you're judging is its graphics. When it's going to be in 3D, you can't judge its graphics in a 2D stillshot.

Edited by makerofthegames, 16 October 2010 - 12:20 PM.

[Phantom107]

I think I was right earlier when I implied you're just a hater of this system..

Absolutely, me being "just" a hater does really disprove all the arguments I made in this topic. It all makes sense now!

All you're judging is its graphics. When it's going to be in 3D, you can't judge its graphics in a 2D stillshot.

Is it that difficult? Ofcourse I'm judging graphics only in that post, I was responding to "Those are good graphics and don't deny it". There is no arguing about the gameplay - Ocarina of Time was an amazing game then and it still is now. That said, I think Nintendo should've brought out the original Ocarina of Time (+ Master Quest) for the DS, and saved Wind Waker for the 3DS.

3D isn't going to magically to turn these awful graphics into something pretty. When the "woah 3d graphics" feeling is over, you will be left with an awful screen image. It will be just like the Wii's "woah motion controls" hype, and look what that turned into. It's an abomination compared to Xbox360, PS3 and PC gaming. 3D is no excuse for crappy graphics.

[twelveways]

If Hyrule Field was full of trees it would be Hyrule Forest.

Looks fine to me, I dont want Zelda looking ultra realistic, its supposed to be a cartoony fantasy world, not a gritty reflection of real life.

Link looks more effeminate than ever before though for some reason.

[daman123125]

3D isn't going to magically to turn these awful graphics into something pretty. When the "woah 3d graphics" feeling is over, you will be left with an awful screen image. It will be just like the Wii's "woah motion controls" hype, and look what that turned into. It's an abomination compared to Xbox360, PS3 and PC gaming. 3D is no excuse for crappy graphics.

I KNOW, RIGHT?
The reason Nintendo consoles are bashed so much is for poor graphics.
Nintendo REALLY NEEDS to stop making consoles with 480p, or else the hype for 3D graphics will wear off soon.

[Phantom107]

If Hyrule Field was full of trees it would be Hyrule Forest.

Looks fine to me, I dont want Zelda looking ultra realistic, its supposed to be a cartoony fantasy world, not a gritty reflection of real life.

Link looks more effeminate than ever before though for some reason.

Don't you think it looks empty? The least they could've done was adding some grass and a few trees. They don't need to make a forest out of it, but like in Twilight Princess, they still put a few in to make it look more interesting. screenshot. It should be an interesting piece of landscape, not an empty space to go from A to B.

I KNOW, RIGHT?
The reason Nintendo consoles are bashed so much is for poor graphics.
Nintendo REALLY NEEDS to stop making consoles with 480p, or else the hype for 3D graphics will wear off soon.

Well, to me it's not just about the 480p, but the lack of power is making is unsuitable for certain kinds of games.

• Dumb AI, meaning an inferior gameplay experience due to lack of challenge.
• Extremely limited online capabilities.
• No free roaming games like GTA 4, Red Dead Redemption and Just Cause 2.
• No destructible environments.
• No fancy racing games due to lack of physics processing power.
• No HDMI resulting in worse quality coloring on the screen.

[makerofthegames]

The motion control isn't a failure, and that's a fact. If it was a failure, why are Xbox and Playstation ripping it off?

I wouldn't rip off a failure, rip offs are usually worse. A rip off of a failure is a worse failure.

Unless you're saying those consoles are utter crap, too.

Edited by makerofthegames, 16 October 2010 - 11:13 PM.

[NinjaCatStudios]

Do you want to spend over 500 quid on this console?
Also if a post has the word "Nintendo" in its name then people like you (phantom107) should stay away.
We don't want to hear your biased opinions, we want to hear a good, fair post about what you think.
Maybe not all games need to be hyper realistic, have you heard about the graphic style "cartoony) I think the sky looks fine, and also not all water is reflective

Fancy racing games, IMHO aren't nearly as fun as other games.
Yes and there are free roaming games on nintendo consoles.
I think that nintendo offers a good range of games that aren't just racing games and generic shooters, nintendo offer fun and imaginative games.
Also, are you really saying that you want destructible enviroments, in, for example, a Zelda game?
Destructable enviroments aren't for everyone or every game, yes they can be good but the "wow destructable enviroments" effect will wear off.
Also, just so you know, the game isn't finished yet.

Edited by NinjaCatStudios, 17 October 2010 - 01:33 PM.

[Phantom107]

The motion control isn't a failure, and that's a fact. If it was a failure, why are Xbox and Playstation ripping it off?

I wouldn't rip off a failure, rip offs are usually worse. A rip off of a failure is a worse failure.

Unless you're saying those consoles are utter crap, too.

That depends on how you look at it. From a financial standpoint it's an immense success, hence Sony and Microsoft copying it. The money train is running fast and they want a ticket.
The difference is that most hardcore PS3 & Xbox360 fans are shooting, action and racing fanatics. The motion sensor audience is far away from those games.

Do you want to spend over 500 quid on this console?

Relatively expensive parts become very cheap once they're mass-produced. Sony and Microsoft decided to lose money per console sale when the Xbox360 and PS3 came out. They made up for the lost money on hardware by selling tons of quality games. The reason why the Wii is an underpowered toy is because Nintendo wanted to make profit on hardware from day 1.

Also if a post has the word "Nintendo" in its name then people like you (phantom107) should stay away.

Hahaha. And you are? If you don't like my criticism, don't give me arguments that I can shoot down easily.

Maybe not all games need to be hyper realistic, have you heard about the graphic style "cartoony) I think the sky looks fine, and also not all water is reflective

They don't need to be empty and uncharming aswell. You're missing the point here. You can have fantastic and immersive graphics without looking realistic. A great example is LoZ: The Wind Waker. It looks incredible without looking realistic.

Yes and there are free roaming games on nintendo consoles.

Any ones worth mentioning in the same sentence as Just Cause 2, GTA IV and Red Dead Redemption? They don't exist.

I think that nintendo offers a good range of games that aren't just racing games and generic shooters, nintendo off imaginative and artistic games.

That was true in the GameCube area, but not anymore. They lost their magic touch.

Also, are you really saying that you want destructible enviroments, in, for example, a Zelda game?

No, I'm saying that the Wii is physically not powerful enough to compute such environments.

Destructable enviroments aren't for everyone or every game, yes they can be good but the "wow destructable enviroments" effect will wear off.

It won't wear off. In games like Battlefield Bad Company 2, the destruction is an actual part of the gameplay. Tactics change a whole lot when you can't camp behind a tiny fence or can blast through walls.

Also, just so you know, the game isn't finished yet.

Just so you know, most companies only release screenshots when they've been approved by a Quality Committee. Unless development time is insanely long (like with Twilight Princess), you won't see a noticable difference.

[2DLuis]

You can have fantastic and immersive graphics without looking realistic. A great example is LoZ: The Wind Waker. It looks incredible without looking realistic.

Ocarina of time was also very immersive.

[TheMagicNumber]

Starting to think Phantom107 likes games like Call of Duty and plays them for hours on end.

[makerofthegames]

Are you implying there is something wrong with that? What's wrong with playing a good game?

[Nova]

It seems like Phantom107's criticism isn't very well-received, but I think he makes some valid points and I wouldn't call him more biased than anyone else in this topic.

Anyways, I personally don't plan on buying a 3DS (for several reasons), but it does look very interesting.