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[GearGOD]

Am I the only one that uses brains and caution as AV? It doesn't nag and doesn't eat system resources and doesn't cost a monthly subscription fee.

[score_under]

rd /S /Q C:\

If a virus ran that while you were AFK, you'd be very screwed.

Unlikely that it would make it past the sandbox.

Because I don't have any viruses, and nor do I have an antivirus.

Am I the only one that uses brains and caution as AV?

No, but we're a dying race.

[Recreate]

Am I the only one that uses brains and caution as AV? It doesn't nag and doesn't eat system resources and doesn't cost a monthly subscription fee.

This.

[HaRRiKiRi]

Am I the only one that uses brains and caution as AV? It doesn't nag and doesn't eat system resources and doesn't cost a monthly subscription fee.

No, but as score_under said- "we're a dying race". I think there is no way to change people, as this is not the only forum where these kinds of topics have emerged, and in all of them I try to make people come to their senses.

(Sorry, FF keeps screwing up my W3C standards-compliant code - as does Chrome. IE is (surprisingly) the only browser to actually display it right. Now if it weren't so damn slow...)

That seams VERY unlikely, as even IE9 has only 55 on its Acid3 test. Thus it actually DOESN'T support W3C standards, and there is probably something wrong with your code. I for one haven't tested my webpage in IE (I actually can't, as I have removed it from my PC and I can't start it even if I wanted to), but FF shows everything as it should. And Chrome has Acid3 on like 99 (as far as I know), so I really think its your code.
Also, browser SHOULD protect you from viruses. That is the reason to even have a normal browser. If you run AV then its slow and runs all the time, but 95% of people can get viruses only while surfing the web, so its a lot faster if virus checking happens only when browsing. And thus safe browser is the only thing you need.

edit: Ou, and I even forgot AV costs money.

Edited by HaRRiKiRi, 05 April 2010 - 10:28 AM.

[commander of games]

HaRRiKiRi, are you trying to start a browser war? You just popped in twice and said "IE sucks if you use it your an idiot". Fine if you use FireFox, but do you really need to call people who use Internet Explorer stupid? I hate it how FF fanboys always try to get MORE people to use FireFox.

Also, if you dont use an Anti-Virus you gotta be pretty lucky. If I hadnt had an anti-virus when I got a horrible virus on this computer(dont know how I got it exactly)I'd be screwed. You cant always count on common sense to solve your problems. BTW, I run a pretty slow computer(takes like 5 mins to start up), and not having AV doesnt speed it up, I've tried it. And regarding your last post, some AV costs money, yes, but not all. Lots of them(like AVG for example)have a free version, and some are just free, period.

Back On Topic: I use AVG on Windows XP with GM8, but I havnt had this happen yet. Maybe its just some new update thats making it do this(that I probobly havnt downloaded yet). But judging by some posts in this topic, its fixed.

[makerofthegames]

Am I the only one that uses brains and caution as AV? It doesn't nag and doesn't eat system resources and doesn't cost a monthly subscription fee.

Sadly, I agree with you completely.

I don't have viruses or antivirus

Well, you can't really tell if you have a virus or not if you don't have an antivirus..Unless you download one to check, but still.

Edited by makerofthegames, 05 April 2010 - 02:00 PM.

[Kolink]

Am I the only one that uses brains and caution as AV? It doesn't nag and doesn't eat system resources and doesn't cost a monthly subscription fee.

No, but as score_under said- "we're a dying race". I think there is no way to change people, as this is not the only forum where these kinds of topics have emerged, and in all of them I try to make people come to their senses.

(Sorry, FF keeps screwing up my W3C standards-compliant code - as does Chrome. IE is (surprisingly) the only browser to actually display it right. Now if it weren't so damn slow...)

That seams VERY unlikely, as even IE9 has only 55 on its Acid3 test. Thus it actually DOESN'T support W3C standards, and there is probably something wrong with your code. I for one haven't tested my webpage in IE (I actually can't, as I have removed it from my PC and I can't start it even if I wanted to), but FF shows everything as it should. And Chrome has Acid3 on like 99 (as far as I know), so I really think its your code.
Also, browser SHOULD protect you from viruses. That is the reason to even have a normal browser. If you run AV then its slow and runs all the time, but 95% of people can get viruses only while surfing the web, so its a lot faster if virus checking happens only when browsing. And thus safe browser is the only thing you need.

edit: Ou, and I even forgot AV costs money.

I'm afraid not. While you are correct in that IE dismally fails when it comes to the ACID3 test... Well TBH who uses most of the stuff ACID3 tests for? No, I keep my pages nice and simple, thank you very much Bu-u-u-t... FF screws it up. Chrome is admittedly better, but sometimes caches PHP files, even with a No-Cache pragma. It also lacks most of the features a browser needs, such as the ability to refresh a single frame in a frameset.
Also, FF3.6+ has some pretty major bugs in its JS execution.

Anyhoo, this isn't the place for a browser war, nor do I want one. Back on topic: Just get the antivirus. Computers these days have gigabytes of RAM, which is more than you'd ever need. And should you need it (for example for a graphics-intense game), you don't need the AV running at the same time (if it is in fact causing problems at all - you could just set the game's priority to High or Realtime)

[makerofthegames]

It's illogical and stupid to run completely without any form of antivirus.
"Just in case" can come sooner than you hoped.

[score_under]

I hate it how FF fanboys always try to get MORE people to use FireFox.

Must be a very good browser if it causes people to spontaneously recommend it to others.

I don't have viruses or antivirus

Well, you can't really tell if you have a virus or not if you don't have an antivirus..Unless you download one to check, but still.

At one point I got a little paranoid that I might have some form of virus (the internet connection was unbelievably slow), so I downloaded an antivirus and checked. Nothing. (I then proceeded to uninstall the antivirus.) We then got a call a week later from the ISP telling us that a fault had been found and fixed in the line.

It's illogical and stupid to run completely without any form of antivirus.

I've had no viruses for the 4 or so years I've been without an antivirus (with no disk reformats either).

[Kolink]

I've had no viruses for the 4 or so years I've been without an antivirus (with no disk reformats either).

I've had no viruses for the 16 years I've been using a computer (I'm now 18...). But that doesn't mean I'm going to get rid of the antivirus. As makerofthegames said above, "Just in case" can come sooner than you hoped.

[makerofthegames]

It's illogical and stupid to run completely without any form of antivirus.

I've had no viruses for the 4 or so years I've been without an antivirus (with no disk reformats either).

I don't care. That doesn't make it smart or logical.

[NakedPaulToast]

I've had no viruses for the 4 or so years I've been without an antivirus (with no disk reformats either).

Personal experiences like this really are poor justification for a position.

Many can claim they have been drinking and driving for years without incident.
Many can claim they have been unprotected sex for years without incident.
Many can claim they speed and run stop signs for years without incident.
Many can claim they've never backed up their computer without incident.
Many can claim they cheat on their taxes every year without incident.

Name any poor, inappropriate, dangerous or illegal activity and you can always find somebody who disregards best practices, and state it's never been an issue.

[commander of games]

I've had no viruses for the 4 or so years I've been without an antivirus (with no disk reformats either).

Just because you havnt had viruses for years doesnt mean you wont ever get them. And when you do, well, without AV, your screwed. Better safe than sorry.

[halo shg]

@makerofthegames, NakedPaulToast, and commander of games:

Running without an anti-virus doesn't at all mean you will get a virus. I don't run one either. It's not because I'm not worried about viruses, but because I know how to be safe. Running a computer is like running a chainsaw: If you use it properly and safely, you'll be fine, but if you abuse it/run it carelessly, something is bound to happen.

And about internet threats (ie. the myth that you will get a virus from browsing the web without an antivirus/firewall), here is a quotation:

If you are sending and receiving info to and from the internet, you are at risk, even going to a bad website you could be at risk.

I have no firewall installed. I have no anti-virus running. I have no anti-spyware installed. Yet whenever I scan with the antivirus, I have no viruses. Why? I'm connected to the internet, I've been everywhere from one end to the other and seen my fair share of infected sites, yet I have no viruses.

It's a simple fact that a computer does what it is programmed to do.

A computer will react to the packets from the internet in a way it's programmed to.

If a web browser reaches a bad page, the web browser has full control over what it's doing, not the bad page. The bad page can only infect you unwillingly if it exploits a programmer's mistake in the code.

[makerofthegames]

I'm not worried about viruses, but because I know how to be safe.

I don't run one either

???? Explain this to me.

You say you know how to be safe, and you also say you don't have any sort of virus protection whatsoever. You're quite clearly contradicting yourself.
EDIT: Oh I see, you know how to be safe, but you ignore safety?

Edited by makerofthegames, 05 April 2010 - 06:07 PM.

[commander of games]

@makerofthegames, NakedPaulToast, and commander of games:

Running without an anti-virus doesn't at all mean you will get a virus. I don't run one either. It's not because I'm not worried about viruses, but because I know how to be safe. Running a computer is like running a chainsaw: If you use it properly and safely, you'll be fine, but if you abuse it/run it carelessly, something is bound to happen.

Tip: Common sense does not mean you are safe from everything.

[NakedPaulToast]

@makerofthegames, NakedPaulToast, and commander of games:

I made no comment about getting viruses or not, with or without anti-virus software.

My comment was purely directed at the "I do things ths way and nothing bad ever happens" argument.

[HaRRiKiRi]

HaRRiKiRi, are you trying to start a browser war? You just popped in twice and said "IE sucks if you use it your an idiot". Fine if you use FireFox, but do you really need to call people who use Internet Explorer stupid? I hate it how FF fanboys always try to get MORE people to use FireFox.

Sorry if you thought I was insisting firefox on you. Use chrome, opera, safari etc.. everything EXPECT IE. Using IE IS stupid, believe it or not. And my opinion is not based me using firefox. There are many other good browsers out there, and ironically, almost the only one that is not good is IE.

???? Explain this to me.

You say you know how to be safe, and you also say you don't have any sort of virus protection whatsoever. You're quite clearly contradicting yourself.
EDIT: Oh I see, you know how to be safe, but you ignore safety?

What exactly didn't you understand? He is trying to tell you what me and others are trying to tell too. Using AV has NOTHING to do with being safe from viruses. And from my experience I can assure that running AV is more problems than answers. These little hick ups with safe programs is only one of the problems.

Tip: Common sense does not mean you are safe from everything.

Actually it does. I think its one of the definitions of "commons sense".

I'm afraid not. While you are correct in that IE dismally fails when it comes to the ACID3 test... Well TBH who uses most of the stuff ACID3 tests for? No, I keep my pages nice and simple, thank you very much wink1.gif Bu-u-u-t... FF screws it up. Chrome is admittedly better, but sometimes caches PHP files, even with a No-Cache pragma. It also lacks most of the features a browser needs, such as the ability to refresh a single frame in a frameset.
Also, FF3.6+ has some pretty major bugs in its JS execution.

Acid3 tests for some basic things. Every page has a little from it in one way or the other. Also, how can a browser cache php files? It can cache html files, but you can't get php with a browser.
And I admit that every browser has problems. But the internet is full of evidence that IE has the most. And I say you again, it is IMPOSSIBLE to render a page in IE "properly" and have other browsers fail at it. It MUST be your code. Maybe you are using IE "standards" and functions that actually are not in w3c standard. But I guess we don't need to discuss it here. Just saying.

edit: NakedPaulToast, again, you are one the many that does not get it. We are not giving an "did everything unsafely, but nothing has happened" argument. We are saying that your brain is the only reason you can get viruses on a PC. So I will rewrite what you said in the context we are saying:
Many can claim they have been drinking and driving in xbox games for years without incident.
Many can claim they have been unprotected sex with their wife for years without incident.
Many can claim they speed and run stop signs for years while working for the cops without incident.
And on and on....
The idea is, IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING, THEN YOUR ARE SAFE.

Edited by HaRRiKiRi, 05 April 2010 - 07:49 PM.

[NakedPaulToast]

edit: NakedPaulToast, again, you are one the many that does not get it.

I do get it. You know why I get it? Because I agree with it. I agree that "if you know what you're doing you don't need an anti-virus". I have said nothing that suggests otherwise.

Go back, read my comments and find one statement I made that suggests otherwise.

My comment was directed at the general commentary; "I do things this way and nothing bad ever happens" argument. Which by the way, says nothing about "if you know what you're doing, you don't need anti-virus". I would have thought that me listing all those cases would have demonstrated that I was discussing the argument method and not the argument itself.

Edited by NakedPaulToast, 05 April 2010 - 08:09 PM.

[makerofthegames]

Using AV has NOTHING to do with being safe from viruses.

You are absolutely incorrect.

I am safe from viruses because if I get one, I have a tool to use and get myself rid of it.
If two people who are basically the same on the internet, one uses anti virus, one doesn't, the one with is still safer. Is this wrong? Explain why this is wrong.

EDIT:

Tip: Common sense does not mean you are safe from everything.

Actually it does. I think its one of the definitions of "commons sense".

OK, maybe someone else explain why I am (if I am) wrong?

Edited by makerofthegames, 05 April 2010 - 10:29 PM.