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[Minimuffin]

I would like to take the opportunity to quote from one of my favorite movies, which I think is very relevant to this game:

"The only winning move is not to play."

[Druid TC]

It's interesting to see you all portraying the man as 'innocent'. After seeing him tied to a post with a gun pointed at him, I made the assumption he was a vicious criminal who deserved to die. I did not therfore consider myself to have 'lost' the game when I shot him. I guess it's all about putting your own context to the situation.

[Charmeleon]

Knowing this was a 2dcube game, I expected nothing going into it. Of course, that is exactly what I got. 2dcube's "Execution" is a vapid creation that questions the morality of games - and fails miserably. Was the player really supposed to feel sorry for the poorly-drawn tied-up man, who we know nothing about?


Oh look, a blob.

And then, to make you feel the "consequences" of your actions, you are not allowed to replay the game. As if you cared. After all, the game is over in 2 seconds because there is literally zero substance to it. Of course, this concept has been around since the days of roguelikes with their permadeath, with the major difference being that if you died in a roguelike, you cared. Roguelikes were hard, and you would spend days working on a character and be devastated when he died. But no one cares about the blob in Execution, because after you shoot him or not there is only a message that says "You Lose" or "You Win". Nothing gained, nothing lost.


Picture above, a game with substance.

This game seems to have been made in a day or less, and if 2dcube's name was not attached to it, no one would care.

0/5 - Another 2dcube game in the trashbin.

This has been the fourth review in the "Charmeleon's Awesum Reviews" series!

[needsfoodbadly]

Knowing this was a 2dcube game, I expected nothing going into it. Of course, that is exactly what I got.
This game seems to have been made in a day or less, and if 2dcube's name was not attached to it, no one would care.

0/5 - Another 2dcube game in the trashbin.

Bitter much?

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[Charmeleon]

Your post is without substance, so I'll just assume you're imitating 2dcube's games.

[needsfoodbadly]

Your post is without substance, so I'll just assume you're imitating 2dcube's games.

I don't know even know who 2dcube is except from what I've read in this post. If you don't like his games, whatever. If you're pitching yourself as a game reviewer though you should at least go about it in a constructive and non-biased as possible manner.

"Knowing this was a 2dcube game, I expected nothing going into it."

hardly seems constructive and comparing a "punch line" type of game like this to a Roguelike as you did in your post makes little sense. That's like if I were to compare Street Fighter 5 to Angry Birds.

Also, the fact that you assume I'm the president of this guy's fan club just because I'm not high-fiving you pretty much proves you've got an axe to grind with this guy.

Edited by needsfoodbadly, 02 March 2012 - 09:49 AM.

[Charmeleon]

Hmm well that post had some substance, so you're getting better. You were still mostly factually incorrect though. Comparing Execution to a roguelike is valid since they both have permadeath, but permadeath is effective in roguelikes and ineffective in Execution. And saying that video game reviews need to be objective? Lol, you obviously haven't read many video game reviews.

You were right that I don't like 2dcube's games, though. They are, without exception, complete trash.

[needsfoodbadly]

Hmm well that post had some substance, so you're getting better. You were still mostly factually incorrect though. Comparing Execution to a roguelike is valid since they both have permadeath, but permadeath is effective in roguelikes and ineffective in Execution. And saying that video game reviews need to be objective? Lol, you obviously haven't read many video game reviews.

You were right that I don't like 2dcube's games, though. They are, without exception, complete trash.

Well, there's a difference between getting one try and Roguelike permadeath. If you die in a Roguelike you can always make another Chaotic Evil Monk named Asdf and dive right back in. And this game has no way to build up your character, progress through levels or anything of that nature so it's not really a good comparison. You don't really lose anything in this game.

[orange08]

You were right that I don't like 2dcube's games, though. They are, without exception, complete trash.

Woah, woah, what?!
I can understand you disliking Execution, because it's so small and probably not even considered a game... but 2Dcube's games are not ALL like this. Haven't you tried any others? They are mostly really good, some of them have been featured on Yoyogames, also Karoshi has been ported to IOS and reviewed on IndieGames.com.

You have a right to your opinion, but it makes you sound as if you've only played this one game.

-orange

[Charmeleon]

Hmm well that post had some substance, so you're getting better. You were still mostly factually incorrect though. Comparing Execution to a roguelike is valid since they both have permadeath, but permadeath is effective in roguelikes and ineffective in Execution. And saying that video game reviews need to be objective? Lol, you obviously haven't read many video game reviews.

You were right that I don't like 2dcube's games, though. They are, without exception, complete trash.

Well, there's a difference between getting one try and Roguelike permadeath. If you die in a Roguelike you can always make another Chaotic Evil Monk named Asdf and dive right back in. And this game has no way to build up your character, progress through levels or anything of that nature so it's not really a good comparison. You don't really lose anything in this game.

It IS a good comparison, for the exact reasons you mentioned. Didn't you read my review? The whole point is that Execution has zero substance, even compared to games made in the 1980s. Ugh, kids these days...

[Kracker_Kid]

so the way to win this game is to leave the guy there? he's tied up! if you leave him there he's gonna starve to death. the "right" thing to do is put him out of his misery, not make him suffer. THAT is why i shot him. theres no button that lets you run up to him and untie him, so i HAD to shoot.

[needsfoodbadly]

Hmm well that post had some substance, so you're getting better. You were still mostly factually incorrect though. Comparing Execution to a roguelike is valid since they both have permadeath, but permadeath is effective in roguelikes and ineffective in Execution. And saying that video game reviews need to be objective? Lol, you obviously haven't read many video game reviews.

You were right that I don't like 2dcube's games, though. They are, without exception, complete trash.

Well, there's a difference between getting one try and Roguelike permadeath. If you die in a Roguelike you can always make another Chaotic Evil Monk named Asdf and dive right back in. And this game has no way to build up your character, progress through levels or anything of that nature so it's not really a good comparison. You don't really lose anything in this game.

It IS a good comparison, for the exact reasons you mentioned. Didn't you read my review? The whole point is that Execution has zero substance, even compared to games made in the 1980s. Ugh, kids these days...

The object of Execution is not to retrieve the Amulet of Yendor. And Rogue wasn't just some old game made in the 1980s. It's been called by many expert sources, one of the greatest computer games of all time so your comparison is just *SLIGHTLY* lofty.

You could argue with that logic that one of the most popular games in the world right now also has little if any substance compared to Rogue. The entire goal of the game is to knock pigs over with birds using a slingshot.

But it makes about as much sense as comparing cheese to a lion.

Execution isn't supposed to be a game with incredible depth, a massive world to explore and character progression. It's supposed to make you stop and think. Whether or not you think it achieves that is certainly fair game for debate but lets not go comparing cheese to lions.

Edited by needsfoodbadly, 02 March 2012 - 05:38 PM.

[Charmeleon]

Execution isn't supposed to be a game with incredible depth, a massive world to explore and character progression. It's supposed to make you stop and think.

Except it doesn't do that because the game consists of a badly-drawn sprite, some text and nothing else. I'm not comparing "cheese to lions", I'm comparing a game to a game while you clutch at straws. It's like saying I can't criticize the game for having no substance because it has no substance. ****ing stupid.

[needsfoodbadly]

Execution isn't supposed to be a game with incredible depth, a massive world to explore and character progression. It's supposed to make you stop and think.

Except it doesn't do that because the game consists of a badly-drawn sprite, some text and nothing else. I'm not comparing "cheese to lions", I'm comparing a game to a game while you clutch at straws. It's like saying I can't criticize the game for having no substance because it has no substance. ****ing stupid.

I didn't say "It MAKES YOU stop and think." I said it's "supposed to" or at least that's obviously the author's intent.

If you don't like it, great. But if you're going to compare this game to Rogue or Nethack then you might as well also do a review of Duke Nukem Forever and compare it to Mario Galaxy.

Or to put it another way, "Why would a Wookiee, an 8-foot-tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of 2-foot-tall Ewoks? That does not make sense!"

[Bytewin]

This game is pure genius.

[Fihrilkamal]

Knowing this was a 2dcube game, I expected nothing going into it. Of course, that is exactly what I got. 2dcube's "Execution" is a vapid creation that questions the morality of games - and fails miserably. Was the player really supposed to feel sorry for the poorly-drawn tied-up man, who we know nothing about?


Oh look, a blob.

And then, to make you feel the "consequences" of your actions, you are not allowed to replay the game. As if you cared. After all, the game is over in 2 seconds because there is literally zero substance to it. Of course, this concept has been around since the days of roguelikes with their permadeath, with the major difference being that if you died in a roguelike, you cared. Roguelikes were hard, and you would spend days working on a character and be devastated when he died. But no one cares about the blob in Execution, because after you shoot him or not there is only a message that says "You Lose" or "You Win". Nothing gained, nothing lost.


Picture above, a game with substance.

This game seems to have been made in a day or less, and if 2dcube's name was not attached to it, no one would care.

0/5 - Another 2dcube game in the trashbin.

This has been the fourth review in the "Charmeleon's Awesum Reviews" series!

Oh Great, just looks like an IGN's review.

[emjeeman]

I don't know why the GMC is fine with tarnishing its image by letting Charmeleon continue his trolling.

[Nocturne]

I don't know why the GMC is fine with tarnishing its image by letting Charmeleon continue his trolling.

I am happier with the fact that his review had substance and actually explained why he didn't like the game than I am with your comment above. He is entitled to his opinion and if he has a specific taste in games and chooses to dislike (or post saying so) then that is his choice. Instead of accusing him of trolling, why not respond and try and get a reasoned discussion going OR walk away and say nothing?

Except it doesn't do that because the game consists of a badly-drawn sprite, some text and nothing else. I'm not comparing "cheese to lions", I'm comparing a game to a game while you clutch at straws. It's like saying I can't criticize the game for having no substance because it has no substance. ****ing stupid.

And Charmeleon, just as you are entitled to your opinion, so are the rest entitled to theirs. So, please, refrain from the bad language and try to keep the discussions civil.

[emjeeman]

I don't know why the GMC is fine with tarnishing its image by letting Charmeleon continue his trolling.

I am happier with the fact that his review had substance and actually explained why he didn't like the game than I am with your comment above. He is entitled to his opinion and if he has a specific taste in games and chooses to dislike (or post saying so) then that is his choice. Instead of accusing him of trolling, why not respond and try and get a reasoned discussion going OR walk away and say nothing?

Except it doesn't do that because the game consists of a badly-drawn sprite, some text and nothing else. I'm not comparing "cheese to lions", I'm comparing a game to a game while you clutch at straws. It's like saying I can't criticize the game for having no substance because it has no substance. ****ing stupid.

And Charmeleon, just as you are entitled to your opinion, so are the rest entitled to theirs. So, please, refrain from the bad language and try to keep the discussions civil.

Get a reasonable discussion going with that troll? What are you thinking? And since when is trolling excusable just because one sugarcoats it with a review that has substance? Trolling is trolling, and in just about any respectable forum I frequent, trolling is not tolerated regardless. It seems to me that you strongly defend this kind of forum behavior just because it simultaneously "contributes" to the thread, despite disrupting it. If you read many of the threads Charmeleon posted in, you'd see that others tried reasoning with him. All he did was respond in the same thick-headed manner. Previous threads show that people did not appreciate his "opinions"; one person actually stopped updating his thread here on GMC about his project because of Charmeleon (he now posts development about his game elsewhere).

His review didn't have substance; it's a total bias-fest with unnecessary excess of cleverness and rude remarks. HE CAN HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT A GAME OR GAME GENRE. HE CAN DISLIKE WHATEVER HE FEELS HE SHOULD. THAT DOESN'T MEAN HE CAN BE A TOTAL JERK ABOUT IT. Why do you want people to simply walk away from disruptive posters and say nothing? Don't they have a right to complain about disruptive posting just as much as users like Charmeleon is allowed to troll?

Also, did you even bother to read his review or what others had to say about his review? One user compared it to an IGN review. Do you think that's a good thing? Others complained about its bias. Please tell me your standards for a good review or a review with substance. My idea of a good review is a non-biased, constructive, respective review that has merit. Anybody with decent comprehension skills would know that Charmeleon's reviews lack any of these.

Did you look at his posting history? If so, please elaborate the "substance" in these:

Nice, I'd rather play Call of Duty tho

Still not convinced? How about this:

Boring.

This has been the seventeenth review in the Charmeleon's Awesum Reviews series!

I see a one word review, while the lower sentence is a link, a shameless plug to his blog. If that link contains a longer review of the game at hand (which it doesn't), why not paste it in as a post? It's not even a signature, either. Those are evidently links placed specifically in his review bashfest posts in context with said bashfests.

Other interesting artefacts in his post history include accusing others (NOT just me) of being alt accounts or developers of games he bashes just because they don't agree with him. Do you understand that, Nocturne? Remember the reasoning you falsely put in my warning? He's accused others of it, too. You're mad at me for accusing him of trolling, yet you have no trouble in believing his false claims.
I honestly don't understand why you're turning a blind eye to forum behavior that is, on most other occasions, intolerable.

Edited by emjeeman, 12 May 2012 - 02:47 AM.

[Fihrilkamal]

I don't know why the GMC is fine with tarnishing its image by letting Charmeleon continue his trolling.

I am happier with the fact that his review had substance and actually explained why he didn't like the game than I am with your comment above. He is entitled to his opinion and if he has a specific taste in games and chooses to dislike (or post saying so) then that is his choice. Instead of accusing him of trolling, why not respond and try and get a reasoned discussion going OR walk away and say nothing?

Except it doesn't do that because the game consists of a badly-drawn sprite, some text and nothing else. I'm not comparing "cheese to lions", I'm comparing a game to a game while you clutch at straws. It's like saying I can't criticize the game for having no substance because it has no substance. ****ing stupid.

And Charmeleon, just as you are entitled to your opinion, so are the rest entitled to theirs. So, please, refrain from the bad language and try to keep the discussions civil.

Get a reasonable discussion going with that troll? What are you thinking? And since when is trolling excusable just because one sugarcoats it with a review that has substance? Trolling is trolling, and in just about any respectable forum I frequent, trolling is not tolerated regardless. It seems to me that you strongly defend this kind of forum behavior just because it simultaneously "contributes" to the thread, despite disrupting it. If you read many of the threads Charmeleon posted in, you'd see that others tried reasoning with him. All he did was respond in the same thick-headed manner. Previous threads show that people did not appreciate his "opinions"; one person actually stopped updating his thread here on GMC about his project because of Charmeleon (he now posts development about his game elsewhere).

His review didn't have substance; it's a total bias-fest with unnecessary excess of cleverness and rude remarks. HE CAN HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT A GAME OR GAME GENRE. HE CAN DISLIKE WHATEVER HE FEELS HE SHOULD. THAT DOESN'T MEAN HE CAN BE A TOTAL JERK ABOUT IT. Why do you want people to simply walk away from disruptive posters and say nothing? Don't they have a right to complain about disruptive posting just as much as users like Charmeleon is allowed to troll?

Also, did you even bother to read his review or what others had to say about his review? One user compared it to an IGN review. Do you think that's a good thing? Others complained about its bias. Please tell me your standards for a good review or a review with substance. My idea of a good review is a non-biased, constructive, respective review that has merit. Anybody with decent comprehension skills would know that Charmeleon's reviews lack any of these.

Did you look at his posting history? If so, please elaborate the "substance" in these:

Nice, I'd rather play Call of Duty tho

Still not convinced? How about this:

Boring.

This has been the seventeenth review in the Charmeleon's Awesum Reviews series!

I see a one word review, while the lower sentence is a link, a shameless plug to his blog. If that link contains a longer review of the game at hand (which it doesn't), why not paste it in as a post? It's not even a signature, either. Those are evidently links placed specifically in his review bashfest posts in context with said bashfests.

Other interesting artefacts in his post history include accusing others (NOT just me) of being alt accounts or developers of games he bashes just because they don't agree with him. Do you understand that, Nocturne? Remember the reasoning you falsely put in my warning? He's accused others of it, too. You're mad at me for accusing him of trolling, yet you have no trouble in believing his false claims.
I honestly don't understand why you're turning a blind eye to forum behavior that is, on most other occasions, intolerable.

Good or not, that review is just like IGN's review (see their review on games published by KOEI, like Dynasty Warrior 6 and Dynasty Warrior Gundam 3).
Anyway, just like my old comment, I'm impressed with this game, Execution is something I can't easily forget.